Holly back as Mod for TSB; please sign this petition!!!

[LAMFDTK]

Don't mess with the man from Tenn.

[Dilitante1]

I dont have any issues with Joel. He has a job here that should be/is full time babysitting these postings. I dont know why he has an issue bringing up old posted threads.
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I would think that bringing up old material would show how fun things were back a year or more ago. This has been a fun place to hang out at. People have told jokes, heckled on another in fun, and YES there hve been larger issues but they were dealt with as needed. .
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The forum has seen many battles (flame sessions) in its day but I think there is still room for fun. Things (IMO) have quieted some this past year and bringing up old material is healthy as long as it is tastefull. Hopefully if the MURC-ywaves thread pops up, it wont be locked up right away, allowing feedback from those who never saw it before (and maybe finally prompt a sequel .
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Holly's resignation was hard on her I am sure. If she could be a moderator part time, I feel she would. I wish Joel luck in keeping cool with everything happening here, but censorship outside of stated limits is unwarranted.
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If we as visitors, can follow the rules, and the moderator can be more open and tollerant of activity here, things will be fine and Holly can be proud of her replacement.


-Dil

[ahartman]

Why, oh why, can't we just relax and enjoy TSB?

Kaj, you're doing nothing but trying to divide the group. Joel is the mod. Period.

Anything that goes on between any members of this forum is BETWEEN THOSE MEMBERS. Don't inject yourself into the mix.

I was just starting to think we'd begun the growing-up process, but then lots of people jump in and reopen the old wounds.

STOP IT. It's not constructive, funny, or anything else that TSB should be for.

If you don't like the way things are being run, please don't try to aggrevate the situation. If you have a constructive suggestion, send it to Joel DIRECTLY. Don't whine about it here, please.

PLEASE, everyone, relax, and enjoy your time here. Contrary to popular belief, this is not OUR Soapbox - it's Ant's. I'm getting close to wondering if he should blow it away, since some of us can't be adults in here...

[Admiral]

There's still one thing I don't understand.
Why did she have to resign and not "hire" a deputy to keep things clean till she got back ?

About Joel's moderation, his methods are a bit too brutal, not that I don't like discipline but this is hardly the forum for it. Under Holly we enjoyed our freedom, everyone could post whatever passed through his mind and if the others liked it, they posted in that thread, if not, the thread would have died by itself. Bringing back an old thread is something usual and as I said before, it would die by itself after a few days if others don't like it or when they get bored of it.
If we can't have fun and let ourselves loose in the Soap Box than where should we ? in Matrox Hardware ?
I agree, there are limits, but between Holly's limits and Joel's I'd choose Holly's

[Joel]

At every party there has to be certian rules or someone may get hurt. Just keep offering suggestion rather than comparing or belittling me and I will take everything into advisement.

Joel

[Rags]

It doesn't look like you guys either:
a)remember Holly's first month here
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b)weren't around when Holly became the moderator of the box.

In either case, either give him some suggestions, as I said here, or shut up and keep your bitching and complaining to yourself.

Rags

[Kaj]

Well, I surely stirred things up around here.
I'm not trying to divide the group; why should I? That's a ridicoulous thought IMHO.

I'm a admin myself on quite a large forum in the Netherlands, so despite of my mini-ness, I tend to think that I know how to run a public forum.
The fact that I'm a mini over here, doesn't mean a darn thing! It's just a sign that I'm new to the software, and doesn't say a thing about my capabilities.

Ok, with that out of the way, my next point: I know that Joel isn't Holly and never will be. But posting something like <a href="http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000797.html" target="_blank">this</a> comes to me as if a new sergeant is adressing his troops.
TSB is a forum for the off-topic discussions and "the old rubbish", with a little joke or rant now and then. A moderator like Joel might be better off with a forum like The MURC's Happy Shopper or General Hardware, because the right/wrong-issue is more clear over there.

Let me get this clear; I don't think that Joel isn't a good Moderator, I only think that TSB isn't the right forum for him.

[Rags]

*Sigh* I really wonder about people sometimes. *shakes Head*

[Greebe]

Kaj, Like Rags has tried to say so diligently before, he's new on the job so cut him some slack. Just because your an admin elsewhere doesn't mean squat here. I'm not saying anything negative by saying either. You don't know caca when it comes to how these forums are run. If it wasn't for the way they are, most wouldn't be here or have found this place home. However in this forum, the FACT remains, Holly did have a bumpy start, and for what ever real reason for her leaving doesn't matter now. It happened, there was a loss and now we have to get on with life. That's reality. Joel is here now and we'll have to put up with his mistakes, just as we do with anyone else who is new. Holly settled in well, as I'm sure Joel will do also.

[Admiral]

I have nothing against you Joel. For Matrox Gaming or General and Matrox Hardware you would be a great moderator (no offence to Kruzin). For the Soap Box you'll just have to learn a bit and being opened for suggestions is a good thing

Suggestions:

Well, pretty much what Rags said in another thread. Instead of closing or deleting entire threads just edit the "offending" posts.
About bringing back old threads, let them die by themselves, they won't last more than a week.
Oh, if an old thread causes a chain reaction, than yes, you should lock some of the threads. Keep the first two and lock the others.
A bit more tolerance, filling us with bullets is not the way

I'm in favour of creating a new guide that should be updated periodically. As problems arise we should sit down discuss solutions, together, Admin, mods and users (on TSB or Site Feedback) and make new rules that would try to prevent the problems from repeating. Each update to the guide should be announced on MURC's fornt page

[Kaj]

Originally posted by Greebe:Just because your an admin elsewhere doesn't mean squat here.

Nope, I know, but IMO it is an indication of someones knowledge on how to pick the right mod for the right forum, and that's why I brought it up.

Joel is here now and we'll have to put up with his mistakes, just as we do with anyone else who is new. Holly settled in well, as I'm sure Joel will do also.

I hope so, but Joel; don't go in with a blunt axe rightaway, and cut us some slack too? Please?

[Rags]

Mmmmmfff...gggg..ralflflfl..fffff..smmmmgggfff.... OH ALRIGHT I CAN'T LEAVE IT AT THAT.

You know what? I thought I was being nice by starting a suggestion thread, and even asking nicely for helpful comments, but apparently blockheads like you can't get it through your skull that you aren't helping things by just going off on somebody. Now, you've gone and put me into debate mode, I hope you are freakin' happy now.

Since Holly left as Mod, things haven't been the same in TSB.

Judging from your registration date, you would have hardly any idea of how Holly moderates. She has been without internet connection for most of the time since you have been on this forum, and has been in a hard postition to moderate, so you have NO way of knowing how well or how poor she moderates.

I'm a admin myself on quite a large forum in the Netherlands, so despite of my mini-ness, I tend to think that I know how to run a public forum.

What the hell does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Shut up before I get MY boomstick out and smack you with it. If you had any leadership skills at all, you would try to be helpful. Calling mutiny is NOT HELPFUL, GET IT?

But posting something like this comes to me as if a new sergeant is adressing his troops.

There is nothing wrong with what was said in that thread. I think he was doing that as an open invitation to quiz him and get to know how he will moderate this place, but apparently the more paranoid of us don't see it that way.

I'm not trying to divide the group; why should I?

Like I said above, calling mutiny is not a good thing, and it will only cause unrest. Why should you? I don't know, but it sure wasn't a nice thing to do.

TSB is a forum for the off-topic discussions and "the old rubbish", with a little joke or rant now and then.

Well, I do believe that there are rules to this forum, and just because the topic is the soap box, and any old rubbish, doesn't mean you don't have to follow the rules. It looks like Ant agrees, because he sees a need for an additional moderator here, as well as the other forums.

A moderator like Joel might be better off with a forum like The MURC's Happy Shopper or General Hardware, because the right/wrong-issue is more clear over there.

Where he moderates is not an issue. And you certainly have no clue as to where he should moderate, and how he moderates. Joel has been here longer than 99.9 percent of us. Ant has known Joel for a long time, and knows how he is and must believe in him, so why not give Ant the benefit of the doubt?

Let me get this clear; I don't think that Joel isn't a good Moderator,

Good, then let's start helping the guy out, so he can find a better way of maintaining this zoo here.

Well, I surely stirred things up around here.

That's an understatement, but you aren't the only one holding the blame. Let's try to get back to having "normal" discussions.

I can't believe how low some of the members of this forum have stooped in the last month. Some of you have pre-conceived idea of how Joel is, judging from only a few posts where he was very much opinionated, and had some unpopular beliefs exposed (Pirating music, pirating software, state flags, and others). It's just sickening that all you guys can do is continue to whine *whaaaaaaaahhhhhh where is Holly? whaaaaaahhhhh*. You are just not used to having a moderator in this forum, that's all. I already started a thread to share my views on how Joel is moderating, and left it open for discussion on giving some ideas for Joel to mull over. I know he will listen, but you have to give him a chance. Whining and bitching will get you no where...believe me.

Rags


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[Joel]

No, I will be sure to sharpen it first.

You know Kaj, Rags is right. There are only two other ppl on this forum that have been here longer than I have. Ant the owner of this forum and Flangor Strongaxe the original admin/moderator.

Joel



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[Kaj]

Rags-> check your mail

[DuRaNgO]

Thank You

Now please, everyone post a funny or stupid :P thread and get on with your lives
jim

or else...