IE is Evillllllll

[Joel]

But that's the problem. Because there is no competetion they can just give us what they want to and charge out the yang-yang for it. How many service packs has Windows NT 4.0 had so far?

Joel

[Gurm]

And all the NT4 service packs were free.

And no matter what anyone says NT is stable and fast. My NT servers have NEVER crashed. In three years their only downtime was scheduled in advance by me.

- Gurm

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[Rags]

The service packs, IMO, were a GOOD thing. Some were all about security fixes, some were about adding more functionality, some fixed bugs, some did all three. I think it's good that MS was on the ball enough to keep on improving a very expensive OS (and a pretty good one, IMO).

Rags

[The Rock]

The only service pack I EVER had a problem with is Win2k SP1. And I'm not ever sure that THATS broken since it may be the update to IE5.5 that caused me a little instability. Other than that, as far as Win2k goes, go Gates go.

Bart

[Kaj]

Originally posted by Gurm:
IE only closes all the windows when one dies if you have been foolish enough to uncheck the "run each window in its own process" box.

Maybe I missed something, but where is that box located?
Can't find it anywhere.

[Gurm]

Kaj,

Just checked, and... in Win2k they moved it to TweakUI. But it used to be in Tools->InternetOptions->Advanced.

Hold on...

But Win2k does it automatically, so no need to worry. Hehe.

- Gurm

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[Paddy]

I have to disagree with you Gurm, I have the box checked and frequently loose my windows. I going back to 5.0

[Jammrock]

After using Windows 2000 for the past 9 months at work, I admit it is a good business OS. Very stable, good functionality and after spending months of playing with it, pretty decent at administrative tasks (I still think some of the admin tools suck though).

I still like Netscape 4.74 over IE 5.5 for most web surfing. Netscape 6 is still in Alpha (aka Preview Release) so no comments there, although PR 2 is much better. I actually use both, because some sites won't work with Netscape because some web programmers use FrontPage exclusively.

Office 2000 is the only Office program that I would call great. Office 97 and lower were too unstable, bulky and slow. WordPerfect is a great wordprocessor, just as good if not better than Word. The rest of the WP suite sucks though.

Microsoft in general. Like the article I linked to said, I think there needs to be M$ haters. Otherwise M$ will do whatever they want and screw us all over. Kind of a checks and balances.

I guess the main reason I hate M$ is because of their software prices. $279 for Office 2k Standard? Please, that's outrageous! $89 to upgrade Win98SE to WinMe? WinMe is what Win98 was supposed to be in the first place! $60 to 'Preview' Win2k (when is was in Beta 3/RC)? WTF are the people at M$ smoking? And I don't even want to get into corporate licensing, which is the lamest idea ever concieved.

Jammrock

[Nuno]

Jammrock: OEM versions are much cheaper. With the proper workarounds you can get a OEM version if you buy a new mobo or stick of memory (at least here)

[Jammrock]

I am well aware of OEM products and have connections capable of getting them (and various other softwares) for a lot less That still doesn't correct the fact that M$ jacks up their prices on thier products and licenses (grrrrr...) because they are a monopoly.

If they released their products at reasonable prices I would have less trouble with M$. Office 2K standard should cost no more than $150. Period. Upgrade price should be around $70, if that much.

Unless there is some actual innovation in their new OS's, instead of fixing what they screwed up in their initial release, they should not charge (or charge a lot less) for OS upgrades. In my book, WinMe is an OS fix, not an upgrade.

And that's why I wear the bowtie.

Jammrock

[Werdna]

The thing about microsoft is their prices keep falling, where as in a monopoly the prices keep getting higher.

[Gurm]

Microsoft only fits a couple of the points required for a legal monopoly. That's what has had me cracking up over this whole anti-trust thing. There are 4 or 5 legal points that you have to fulfill in order to be declared a legal monopoly, and MS only fulfills 2 of them - using its position to squish smaller companies (legal term, folks?) and predominant market share.

- Gurm

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Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.

[Jammrock]

Prices Falling? Huh? Have you ever done a price comparison between WinNT and Win2k? The upgrade version of Win2k cost as much as the full version on NT. That's not a price drop.

The full version Office 97 equivelent of Office 2000 Premium cost around $500. That's the upgrade price for Office 2000 Premium, the full version runs around $750!!

Prices falling? What prices are you watching?

Jammrock

[DentyCracker]

Linux will compete with MS for desktop use by casual users. I say in 5-10 years. I remember as someomne who learned unix first being frustrated trying to install RedHat 5.1. That was 2 years ago. I can set up a box running Mandrake 7.1 that my mother could use (and believe me she is a complete novice). If the Linux geeks ever decide to make a proper Desktop linux it could be done very quickly. I believe that that is not their priority though. That's why I say 5-10 years.
In any case I deplore M$'s tactics. If I had to buy Win2K I would though (because there is no other OS that can do what I want it to do with a minimum of effort). I don't as I work for a MS Certified Solution Provider and got my copy as part of my remuneration package and will probablyu get Me also. I won't buy Intel because AMD can give me the performance that I need at a lower price point. (I am not interested in Dual Processor systems at this point in time.)
BTW so far IE 5.5 sux on all the systems I've seen it on, except a clean install of Win98SE on a 4 Gig hd on my Duron (the only one I did myself), so I don't know what to say about it now. I can't see myself going back to Netscape unless they include that autocomplete thingy.

[This message has been edited by DentyCracker (edited 26 September 2000).]

[Kaj]

Maybe Werdna means that their prices keep failing...