Eminem - Agree? Disagree? What is your opinion?

[Jorden]

Kindness, ever heard of Triumph? Try them at your local record store

Then again, my most fave band of the past minimum 30 years is ASIA.. Symphonic Rock where no-one knows where to end

Jord.

[-=Narcissus=-]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jorden:
Symphonic Rock where no-one knows where to end </font>

Actually, I believe that that kind of music is called Progressive Rock. That's my stuff. I listen to the old stuff (Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull), but also the modern (and mostly unknown) offshots : Änglagård, Echolyn, Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard, etc.
I don't listen to Asia though, but I have heard a couple songs.

As for the Eminem, if have to say that I disagree with you. although I'm not for censorship in any way, it isn't as if this guy doesn't change anybody's life.

Maybe we canadians are a bit softer than you guys (then again, maybe not ), but I have to say that I do see the influence that the music has on the kids/teens. you wouldn't believe how many french-canadian-rich-homeboy-teens I see around here... and the only things that bother be about them are the fact that they are rude, arrogant and have no respect for other people's stuff... The music is certainly not the major cause of all of this, but it is a form of encouragement IMO.
Please don't generalize my sayings, not everybody is susceptible to this influence. And before you tell me I'm wrong, keep in mind that I'm 21 and have seen a lot of my friends change style, from grunge to punk to goth (NIN) and now rap. And it does have more to do than just the clothes, their attitudes also change.

This being said you listen to what you like, as long as you know that lyrics are lyrics, and life is life...

Fred

[Joel]

With freedom comes responsibility. I have the right to say whatever I want but it would be very irresponsible of me to stand up in the middle of a packed theater and yell FIRE!, when there wasn't one, and cause a panic.

Yes he does have the right to say what he wants but IMO he is not being very responsible about it.

Joel

[SCompRacer]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The PIT:
Didn't some poeple once say you Shouldn't listen to the Rolling Stones or Led Zepplin becuase if you play it backwards you get messages from satan?</font>

If you listen to a country and western song backwards, you get your wife back, your job back, your dog back...

Anyway, I always thought censorship is a way for certian members of society to attempt to impose a limit onto a public that supports an artist. If no one bought his stuff, the tune might change depending on his level of conviction.

[HollyBerri]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joel:
With freedom comes responsibility. I have the right to say whatever I want but it would be very irresponsible of me to stand up in the middle of a packed theater and yell FIRE!, when there wasn't one, and cause a panic.

Yes he does have the right to say what he wants but IMO he is not being very responsible about it.</font>

Yes, but that is his right as well-- the right to be irresponsible.

It's called "free will" in some book I read somewhere....

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Holly

[Rags]

Sure, we all have free will. We can say pretty much anything we want, unless it causes damage to others. Then it becomes an issue of negligence.

Rags

[Joel]

Well then he should be held accountable for it. Just like I would probably be arrested and thrown in jail for shouting fire and causing a panic then he should be arrested and thrown in jail for inciting violence and hate.

Joel

BTW: I don't think anyone has the right to be irresponsible if that irresponsibility can cause potential harm to someone else.

[HollyBerri]

Errr....Is there some kind of irresponsibility that does not have the potential to harm someone else?

Isn't that the very definition of "irresponsiblity"? And why we don't like it?

But if we have the capacity to be irresponsible, we have the "right" to use that capacity.

If we could say, "You are not permitted to be an @sshole," and make it stick in some real way, I might agree with you, but we can't, and so you can sue an @sshole, you can fine him, throw him in jail or kill him, but you can't make him stop being an @sshole.

That's what I mean by "free will", and "(God-given) rights".

[Rags]

Holly, that is why you or I are not lawyers. You don't understand negligence. When you do measurable harm that can be proven in a court of law because of your actions, that is called negligence, and you can be made to pay for your negligence.

Look at it this way:

You say publicly that Bill Gates is molesting children, and Microsoft's stock price drops as a result. Any lawyer worth his salt can take you into court and prove negligence on your part. That doesn't mean it's illegal to say that, because it really isn't, but you can be held accountable for what you say. This isn't just America, this is the way it is in just about every "free" country.

Rags



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[KvHagedorn]

Don't single out any one rap artist. In my opinion, almost all rap promotes feelings of hatred. I am not talking about lyrics, and neither should anyone be. Most people don't even understand lyrics when they listen to music. It is the mood created by the music itself which is the pertinent thing. When I listen to rap, I get angry. I just can't abide it. Something about the beat just says fvck you, motherfvcker!! It isn't something you can rationally argue about, because it's not rational. The beat appeals to the instictive reptilian part of the brain.. the lyrics can say what they want, I will always feel from the mood of the music that they are saying I'm gonna pop you with my MAC-10 motherfvcker!! I HATE YOU!!!

We really don't need that in society. But we apparently can't censor it either. What we CAN do if we feel that there needs to be more positivity in the world is to have children and bring them up well, with good judgement between good and evil. Why are the well off, intelligent people out there refusing to have children? SOMEBODY's having them, and it's pretty much becoming only the irresponsible people. Do the right thing for the world. If you are intelligent and responsible, raise a child, and raise him properly. That is the only thing you can leave behind that will ever matter. Your legacy. Your posterity. Indeed, your immortality.

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Kind Regards,

KvH

[Pneumatic]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jorden:
Kindness, ever heard of Triumph? Try them at your local record store
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It's funny that you mention Triumph and Asia. I practically wore their tapes out when I was in high school! I still have a special place in my CD collection for those 80's progressive bands (even thought I rarely listen to them)!

Edit= Wow I forgot abou this stuff. You inspired me to dig out some Triumph. Listening to "Lay It On The Line" right now! I'll bet I haven't heard it in 15 years. It actually kinda holds up!
The 80's ruled!




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[Liquid Snake]

Ahh. KvH explained it well. So now, when people ask why I hate rap, I can explain it to them

[Jorden]

kindness, I just listened to Triumph's Rock&Roll Machine live...

Btw, Asia is still alive and kicking. If you want to check out what you missed, go to Asiaworld

I've ordered their latest CD with digi-pack already. Sounds like you have got a lot of childhood remembering to take in again

Jord.

[cerb]

As far as Eminem goes, I tire of his songs a couple of days after they come out.

As far as censorship goes, I don't really want to come into the conversation. :P I guess I should say at least a few words, though...

Basically, by banning his music or calling it "controversial" will only promote his music further and make the younger generation curious as to what it's all about. If you tell a kid/teenager not to look at something, of course they're going to look at it.

[Pneumatic]

I went and checked out the new Asia stuff. It sounds too different from the original. I think I'll stick to "Te Heat of the Moment", "Only Time Will Tell", and "Sole Survivor".

I guess if I had to give an "ALL TIME FAVORITE BAND" it would definately have to be Rush. I think they fit the progressive genre as well. When Rush started to fade (not that they have ever really faded, I still have two Rush discs in my 6 disc changer in the car) I started listening to more Dream Theater. I guess I've always really been into anything that emphasizes the drummer, pretty much ever since I got my first drumset 23 years ago at age 8.

Jorden, go find:
Dream Theater-Images and Words-Under a Glass Moon (it's track #6)
It's about 7 min. long and the best stuff is near in the second half of the song. I think you will like it. Use Napster just to check it out, but if you like it you have to go buy the CD, ok? The whole CD is great!

Here it is if you want to save some time.




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