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  • Let's show the RIAA that we as consumers can control their fate.

    Don't buy any new music media for the rest of this month. If we can get all the millions out there that use Napster, for whatever reason, to do this then the RIAA will lose millions in sells and know that we the consumers, not rich ****oles like Metalica who are only rich because of us consumers, are the ones truely in control.

    "SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A federal judge Tuesday laid down the law to Napster, saying that once the recording industry comes up with a list of copyright songs it wants removed from the music-swapping service, Napster will have 72 hours to comply.

    The order effectively gives the recording industry control over the immediate fate of the Internet music service that lets computer users download popular songs for free.

    Napster is fighting to stay online and retain its popularity while promising to shift over to a subscription-based service that charges listeners and pays royalties to artists. For that, it needs the cooperation of the music labels that sued Napster for copyright infringement.

    Napster, which has struggled with little success in the past few days to screen out some songs already identified by record labels, declined to comment on the ruling by U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel.

    "If Napster complies with what this injunction says, it will be to our satisfaction," said Howard King, an attorney for heavy metal band Metallica and rapper-producer Dr. Dre in their $10 million lawsuits against Napster. "It's technologically doable. The question is, is Napster going to go to the necessary steps to do it?"

    In her ruling, Patel asked record labels to provide the titles, artists' names and relevant file names of all songs it wants banned. After that, Napster will have three business days to remove the songs.

    It will be up to the music industry to prove ownership of the particular songs it wants excluded.

    The judge acknowledged it might be difficult to identify all variations of a copyright song, since Napster users could use code words or shorthand to identify different recordings.

    "This difficulty, however, does not relieve Napster of its duty," she wrote.

    The judge said she would hear any disputes arising from her decision and appoint an independent technical expert if necessary.

    Hilary Rosen, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, said: "We intend to provide the notifications prescribed by the court expeditiously, and look forward to the end of Napster's infringing activity."

    The music industry could come up against some snags.

    Eric Scheirer, an analyst with Cambridge, Mass.-based Forrester Research, said that in many cases record labels do not actually know what songs they own, what versions are copyright and what are properly registered.

    "Many of these records are filed away in a cabinet somewhere and haven't been computerized yet," he said.

    Scheirer stressed that Patel's ruling does not mean Napster has to shut down or turn itself off. Instead, he said, Napster's continued survival depends on how quickly or slowly the record labels deliver song lists.

    "What it does is give the record labels a great deal of power over exactly what songs are going to show up on Napster, how long they're going to be there, and how usable Napster will be for the vast number of consumers that are on there now," Scheirer said.

    If the labels force Napster to pull the plug completely, he said, "consumers will flee to all these other alternative services where they won't be able to control them."

    Napster's popularity exploded in 1999 after founder Shawn Fanning released software making it easy for people to locate and trade songs stored as computer files in the MP3 format, which compresses digital recordings without sacrificing quality.

    The five largest record labels - Sony, Warner, BMG, EMI and Universal - quickly sued, saying Napster could rob them of billions in profits.

    Napster, which claims 50 million users, tried to deploy a system over the weekend to screen its system for 1 million song file names. Its attempted crackdown led to a frenzy of activity by users at other Web sites that use Napster software but are beyond the easy reach of recording industry lawsuits.

    For example, the Napigator program Monday showed more than 96 million music files being traded by almost half a million people through computer servers as far away as Italy, New Zealand and Russia.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last month that an original injunction against Napster issued by Patel was overly broad because it placed the entire burden on Napster of ensuring that no "copying, downloading, uploading, transmitting or distributing" of works occur.

    At a hearing last Friday, music industry attorney Russell Frackman told Patel that Napster should start blocking access to songs listed on Billboard's Top 100 singles and Top 200 albums charts.

    But Napster attorney David Boies said the burden should be on the record labels to find infringing files on Napster and notify Napster."

    Joel
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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Napster attorney David Boies</font>
    How do you pronounce that name? David Bowie?

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    • #3
      Damn it, I'm gonna do it! or should I say, not do it (buy)
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      • #4
        <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The five largest record labels - Sony, Warner, BMG, EMI and Universal - quickly sued, saying Napster could rob them of billions in profits.</font>
        Looks like someone is charging way too much for their product. But then again they promised us years ago that prices would come down and have they?

        Joel
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        • #5
          I actually did this, or rather not do it (buy them) back in August of last year. Perhaps if we can get EVERY Napster user to do this (unlikely, but at least a decent amount), they might actually notice.

          [This message has been edited by Liquid Snake (edited 07 March 2001).]

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          • #6
            There is already some going ons in Napster's forums about this. forum.napster.com/comments.pl?sid=00/08/31/193237&cid=10380&mode=flat

            So let's spread the word.

            Joel

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            [This message has been edited by Joel (edited 07 March 2001).]
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            • #7
              Well, seeing as how it has been over two years since I last bought a CD from a major label, this isn't a problem for me. The last CD's that I bought were from groups that played at the Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Celtic Festival last October, and they were on independent labels. And if their is something else that I really want to buy, it probably won't be from a major label anyway.

              This whole mess is RIAA's own damn fault. If they didn't charge so damn much for a single CD, and if they didn't rip their artists off so badly, then MP3's never would have been a concern. Besides which, everyone knows that since the advent of MP3's the RIAA's profits have gone up. Blah... stupid gits.
              Napster's lawyers must really suck. It's extremely easy to prove that Napster hasn't been causing the RIAA a loss in profits.

              I don't use napster anyway. Gnutella for me, and I'll probably give aimster a try at some point.

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              • #8
                Yup.. I'm alraedy boycotting the greddy lable bastards.. haven't bought a CD in months, and I am not going to buy one for a long time. I'll get my music through other channels from now on.
                The RIAA gas gotten waaaay too greedy.. raping the artists and consumers form all angles. And the whole thing they're doing with Napster is bull$hit.. especially that 'subscription' service. Sorry, I'm not going to pay $5-$10 a month for 128K capped MP3s that were ripped using who knows what kind of software. It posses me enoguh now when I download a MP3 and find it has blips and crap in it.. I'm not gonna be paying for bad rips and crappy 128K encoding. Seems like a great deal for the record companies again.. make us pay for sub-cd quality music with digital compression arfitacts, and then try to get us to pay again to download it onto a portable mp3 player or burn it on a cd.. ROFL!!

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                • #9
                  didnt buy a cd since i got my first cd-writer
                  it actually always seemed to expensive to me, especially when i read that it costs about 1 or 2 cents to print a cd.
                  only way we can make prices go down though is to get the artists to sell (or give away) their songs on the web and not get contracts. but there are a lot of problems involved in that solution.

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                  • #10
                    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And the whole thing they're doing with Napster is bull$hit.. especially that 'subscription' service.</font>
                    The problem is that the RIAA wants to start their own subscription services, just another way for them to rip off the consumers, and as long as there is a free service like Napster it will never succeed.

                    Joel

                    [This message has been edited by Joel (edited 07 March 2001).]
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                    • #11
                      Out of interest how many you that have downloaded mp3's from napster have bought the product afterwards???
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                      • #12
                        Most of what I have downloaded you can't find in CD format. Older songs, unknown artist, independent labels, and paridies. And of the newer songs I have downloaded I do own the cds, just too lazy too create the MP3s myself.

                        Joel
                        Libertarian is still the way to go if we truly want a real change.

                        www.lp.org

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                        • #13
                          That's the main reason I use Napster; to get the rare and obsolete songs you'll never be able to get your hands on through another way.
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                          • #14
                            Some of the songs I got from Napster are live songs, which are hard to find on CD. Of the songs I've downloaded, at one point of another, I went out and bought the CD if I liked the song. Of course, I've been more reluctant to go out and buy any CDs lately because of this RIAA BS.

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                            • #15
                              I've never used Napster. Most, if not all, of the MP3's I've downloaded were from USENET. I own or did own most of the songs I've downloaded in another format -- usually CD.

                              If you think I do this because I'm just to lazy to walk into the next room and get the CD, you'd probably be right.

                              I hate the RIAA, however. I only wish Napster hurt them as much as they claimed. I also hope driving music file sharing underground will hurt them as much as they claim Napster hurt them.

                              Paul
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                              [This message has been edited by paulcs (edited 08 March 2001).]

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