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**Rags** · 10 March 2001, 17:57

???

Two problems, one of which was probably the game's fault, and the other was a documented issue?

Shame on you.

Send me the G400 instead of pitching it, I will pay shipping

Rags

[This message has been edited by Rags (edited 11 March 2001).]

**Nuno** · 10 March 2001, 18:56

Yeah sure, go and get a radeon ve or a MX twinview and rave about their win2k dual-monitor and 3d performance support...

**FaRaN** · 11 March 2001, 06:46

The thing is... Everytime something new comes out, I can almost count on it that Matrox will not support the new demo or at least have some problems. I could make a list of all the problems a matrox gave me. And the most of you could too, but you choose to close your eyes, like I DID.
Don't get me wrong, I lived with all those problems, and I love Matrox' quality . I owned a MilleniumI and II in the days, and I loved them. So I'm a Matrox fan. Thats why I bought the thing.

And the whole 'not working thing' is not only the cause of the manufacturer of the game, like Gore. It's Matrox' fault too! Marox just isn't 100% OpenGL compatible. So YES I do bitch about Matrox too.
If Matrox did support OpenGL well, there shouldn't be a problem with compatibily when making a game like Gore, or HL or Q3 which all had Matrox-related problems. Admit it.

DH is prefectly possible with adding a secondaire PCI videocard. So that shouldn't be a problem.

2D quality is the only reason keeping my MAX to be honest. I'm a graphic designer, so I need it. But I like to play a game once in a while, without reading the docs BEFORE I have to play it, making shure it supports Matrox...

And, it's not only those two problems, you know that too Rags. Don't tell you me never had any problem at all...

I'm not mad at you people. I think it's great that you still support Matrox with all your heart. I do (did?) that too, but Matrox is making it hard to keep it up.

That's my rant. It's over. I'll shut up now. I'll hide behind a rock sheltering against the upcoming flames.

**dZeus** · 11 March 2001, 07:32

Closing your eyes won't help M in any way to solve these problems. Send in a detailed bug report if you want anything to happen!

Update: ok, found it. Is this what you mean?
http://dzeus.student.utwente.nl/g400...shots/gore.jpg

that's all I can see in this game.. it sucks indeed

It's probably a problem caused by both Matrox not supporting all OpenGL extensions, and the game developer not trying out matrox cards, so that they could inform matrox about this issue, co that this issue could have been fixed before the game would be out.

[This message has been edited by dZeus (edited 11 March 2001).]

**FaRaN** · 12 March 2001, 01:59

Yup, thats it. Thanks for the trouble dZues.

According to the Gore docs, Matrox is not 100% OpenGL compatible, and that their card failed 'the test'. What test that is, is a mistery

**Flipin** · 17 March 2001, 16:54

Hey faran. that problem with that half-life's opengl could be because you have installed TurboGL which BTW, does NOT support win2k... I know it because it happened to me, and it took a while before I figured it out (win98/win2k dual boot)

**fds** · 18 March 2001, 03:07

Do you think problems such as this won't occur with an NVIDIA card?

Well then you are right. NVIDIA has become the de-facto standard and no developer would be foolish enough to release a game which won't work on their cards. You can always count on that if you go with the current mainstream hardware.
Except of course in the case of Creative sound cards...

That said, I'm quite satisfied with both my G400 MAX and GeForce2 GTS. I had great fun playing the new HL TFC on the G400, without any problems. Even Alt-Tabbing away from the game and going back works fine. All the while Windows 2000 keeps working all day long till I want to shut it down. We've played a lot on the LAN with the G400 too. Q3:TA, StVoy all run perfectly.
I didn't even upgrade since the 5.31 drivers as I have no need for the fixes/changes listed.

It's awesome that Windows 2000 gaming is very much a reality now and no Matrox or NVIDIA user would ever want to go back to Win9x/Me. It's been such a long and painful period ever since the original Voodoo. (Which interestingly run QW TF in NT4 just fine in the old days.)

I don't ever download game demos or tests though. Except of course if it comes from id.

I think you have too much free time on your hands to try pre-release demos. Wish I could even play some of the games I have. If Matrox resolves this issue as they have done with so many others in the past before the game gets released, I don't think you have any reason to complain.

**yokomo[MU]** · 19 March 2001, 15:30

The Radeon in W2K? I tried that, Forced back to Win98SE due to lousy performance. I wish Matrox would release something so I can trash this piece of junk card ASAP. Anyways, how's things going here? been gone along long time, Too long and need to come back.

**DuRaNgO** · 19 March 2001, 16:41

Do you think problems such as this won't occur with an NVIDIA card?
Well then you are right. NVIDIA has become the de-facto standard and no developer would be foolish enough to release a game which won't work on their cards. You can always count on that if you go with the current mainstream hardware.

If you really believe that, go to THIS forum and read all about the problems on nVidEa cards
jim

**FaRaN** · 20 March 2001, 06:20

Originally posted by fds:

I think you have too much free time on your hands to try pre-release demos.

I think someone who judges how much time I have on my hands by how many demo's I download is a total fool, and can't decide when I can or cannot complain about a graphicscard.

I do however agree with the fact that indeed the G400MAX runs great in HL or Q3. I own this card for over a year now, and I have the same experiences you have. You do not have to tell me that.

But! I have some time on my hands, like late at night, and after I finished all my work for the day, to download a demo, an try it out... And I like it to run. This however happens rarely without any problems....
I'm repeating myself. Re-read this thread please fds on what I meant.
And don't act like a tough guy.

I'm suprised you DO have enough time to read this forum, and reply on it...

**The PIT** · 20 March 2001, 17:27

The grass is always greener on the other side until you get there that is.

**fds** · 23 March 2001, 17:55

Durango,

If you really believe that, go to THIS forum and read all about the problems on nVidEa cards

I checked that forum (only briefly though) and I still believe that it is true that if you can get the card working, that is, no conflits with other hardware, you can get any current game working on the GF's.

I doubt any game developer would release a title which didn't run on the card the vast majority of their buyers have.

You cannot expect that to be the case with a Matrox card simply because of their small market share among gamers. Either a patch from the developer or a driver update from Matrox can solve the problem and that's what usually happens.
I was only saying that you can't realistically expect a developer to hold back a release until they get it right on Matrox cards (while they have to do that for NVIDIA). It's not Matrox' fault and they cannot really do anything about that short of releasing something which would make them the new market leader.

FaRaN:

I think someone who judges how much time I have on my hands by how many demo's I download is a total fool, and can't decide when I can or cannot complain about a graphicscard.

HA! Yes, I'm a total fool. I can accept that.

I was really surprised though that you got all worked up on a small remark which was meant to be in humor hence the smiley.
Although there has to be a connection between how many pre-release demos you actually try and the amount of free time you have to waste. You can end up with a messed up system quickly after installing lots of beta software. The reason why most of the people with little free time will just get a quick fix of their favorite online game.

I do however agree with the fact that indeed the G400MAX runs great in HL or Q3. I own this card for over a year now, and I have the same experiences you have. You do not have to tell me that.

What I was trying to tell you is my experience with both cards as I have already sold half my soul to the devil. I thought you are intending to do the same.
I was trying to explain why in my opinion these differences would not and can not be expected to change any time soon. Why it's not worth ranting about.

And I like it to run. This however happens rarely without any problems....

Unfortunately that should come as no surprise to you considering the non-importance of Matrox cards to the developers. You just have to accept that and wait until all issues and resolved. This was the whole point of my message.

And don't act like a tough guy.

Uh.. Where did I do that? I'm just a skinny average computer nerd and I have absolutely no intention of acting like a tough guy. Such things could get you in unnecessary trouble.
I blame it on the language barrier. I'm afraid my grasp of the English language is only weakening now that I'm no longer actively learning it.

I'm suprised you DO have enough time to read this forum, and reply on it...

I'm here only on the weekends though and it's already 2am which certainly has a negative effect on the insightfulness of my replies. If you don't like them and don't want them, just tell me and I will make sure not to reply to your posts.

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I've had it.... to many problems... I'm going insane. FU Matrox!

I've had it.... to many problems... I'm going insane. FU Matrox!

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