OT: Bush's speach

[agallag]

Originally posted by Jammrock


Well said. I'm glad the people in D.C. have more than just a basic understanding of Islam. Now if only the American people can figure out that not all of Islam is bad.
Jammrock

Well said. I was very worried that the US was just going to start bombing the hell out of the middle east. It looks like they're already doing it right by sending in a delta force first. That's the only way to win a war in afganistan.

I happen to work with two muslim guys, one from pakistan and one from tanzania. They're both really great guys, and I consider them both my friends. It's too bad that they have to be wary of personal attacks from ignorant schlubs that don't understand what the real teachings of islam are. Even in so called "peaceful" canada, there are attacks going on against not only muslims, but anyone who looks like they might be muslim. Idiots.

As a Canuck, I have a question about Bush: why does he seem to HATE Canada? What am I missing? He gives this great big speech about all these other countries that are the USA's friends, and doesn't mention once the country he shares the continent with. I'm told his dad didn't much care for us either.

I don't think he hates canada. He was listing foreign countries in his speech. The fact that he doesn't consider canada to be a foreign country, more part of the family, is in fact showing us some respect, IMHO.

[KvHagedorn]

I don't think he hates canada. He was listing foreign countries in his speech. The fact that he doesn't consider canada to be a foreign country, more part of the family, is in fact showing us some respect, IMHO.

I agree. I have always had difficulty thinking of Canada as a foreign country. We have too much in common, it seems.. culture, values, history.. we have grown up together from the same roots. Someone from upstate New York is probably much more like someone from Ontario than they are like someone from Texas or California, just as someone from Bavaria is often more like an Austrian than a North German. How seemingly arbitrary borders can be!

[The Rock]

Perhaps hate was too strong a word. He just pretends we don't exist.

Bart

[Rags]

Not at all, he has mentioned Canada in 4 speaches so far that I have seen myself. That isn't ignoring to me.

Also let's not forget the trade laws that George Sr. started and is still being supported by our current president. Oh, and the many co-operative enforcement laws that were supported.

Rags

[Wulfman]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn

just as someone from Bavaria is often more like an Austrian than a North German.

is that really that well known all over the world? (we drink less beer imho)

mfg
wulfman

[agallag]

“I didn't think it was important to praise a brother, after all we're talking about family. There should be no doubt in anybody's mind about how honoured we are to have the support of the Canadians and how strong the Canadian Prime Minister has been.” - George W. Bush, Sept 24, 2001

There, see? Told ya so

[Helevitia]

Bush met with Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien on Monday as he continued to put together an international coalition for his coming war. He called Chretien a ``brother'' in the ``war on terrorism.''

And another....



Dave

[slyfox]

JEWISH CRUSADER

Bin Laden, who has denied involvement in the attacks, was quoted by Qatar's al-Jareeza television on Monday as urging Muslims to help "destroy the new Jewish Crusade campaign on the soil of Pakistan and Afghanistan."

"The new Jewish Crusader campaign is led by the biggest crusader Bush under the banner of the cross," he said, according to a statement dated Sept. 23. Bush angered many Muslims earlier when he equated his "war on terrorism" to the Christian crusades of old.

"I assure you dear brothers that we are firm on the road of jihad (holy war)," bin Laden was quoted as saying. The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but an editor at the television station, which interviewed bin Laden two years ago, considered it genuine.

My question is, "How do you fight a bunch of religious extermist, that have no value for human life, who thinks it is their duty to fight and destory the infidels, and that dying while doing so he will recieve the greatest honor of all, to sit at the right hand of his god in the hereafter?".

[Gurm]

With extreme prejudice, and napalm.

Let 'em BURN while they die.

It'll get 'em thinking about where they're REALLY going, so they're less surprised when they get there.

- Gurm

[Jorden]

Originally posted by slyfox


My question is, "How do you fight a bunch of religious extermist, that have no value for human life, who thinks it is their duty to fight and destory the infidels, and that dying while doing so he will recieve the greatest honor of all, to sit at the right hand of his god in the hereafter?".

The bad thing about Osama bin Laden, and all the other terrorist leaders, is, that they don't fight up front themselves, but let others do it for them.

Osama became a big leader in the Afghanistan war against the Russians/Soviets, just because he got his newest weapons from the all loved CIA, and because he knew how to fight the Russians. It was his setup for his terrorist activities.

But you won't see him fighting amongst everyone who loves him so much. He's the man with the brains and the money, fighting behind the scenes, buying and selling.

How do you fight such a person? I sure hope GWB and his advisors have the answer. Last I heard a special ops team from Britain is already deployed in Afghanistan.

I laughed last week about a commentary on Dutch TV, saying that ObL won't wait until America shoots cruise missiles through his tent-lines. .. it being a funny remark

I must say, that ObL watches a lot of Discovery when he's not allowed to do so, with the Taliban/Taleban telling all people in Afghanistan that they cannot watch TV anymore, cannot use a phone, cannot use the internet, they are as far as I know only allowed to listen to Taliban radio !!
If ObL can fax his statement about the Jewish Crusaders, he's either also got Discovery Taliban, or his facts wrong

I bet the last part.

Okay, as far as Jason goes, I won't go. But I do want ObL to sit on a wooden scaffolding and tour the whole Western world so we can throw bad fruit at him, before he is imprisoned at Devils Island, or no, let''s build a prison with his own money on the moon !!

Jord.

[Dr Mordrid]

Well, today GWB dropped the first shoe: he's got the Treasury Department working on cutting off their money supply by freezing their assets both foreign and domestic. He's also working with Congress on legislation to not only freeze but SEIZE these assets for use by those agencies tracking him down.

In short he's turned the parent agency of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) loose on 'em. Now al Qaida is really in trouble

Part 2 of this is that foreign banks don't cooperate he'll have the Treasury Dept. lock up THEIR assets here until they do.

The stock market seemed to like it as the Dow went up by almost 400 points staring about 5 minutes after his announcement.

Like I said before; the gloves are coming off.

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

With extreme prejudice, and napalm.

Let 'em BURN while they die.

It'll get 'em thinking about where they're REALLY going, so they're less surprised when they get there.

- Gurm

C'mon, Jason, tell us how you really feel.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.. your response gives him too quick a death. In all the history of the Tower of London, they could not begin to think of some of the horrors I would visit upon this evil slimeball. I think death would be too good for him. A long life of utter public degradation and infinite varieties of pain and forcing him to do everything which blasphemes his religion would be a start.

[dZeus]

My question is, "How do you fight a bunch of religious extermist, that have no value for human life, who thinks it is their duty to fight and destory the infidels, and that dying while doing so he will recieve the greatest honor of all, to sit at the right hand of his god in the hereafter?".

Terminate their leader and people with the brains in their organization, with special forces infiltrated in the area, without them even knowing what struck them, and pull out immediately. That way you won't have any chance on the jihad bin Laden is hoping for at all.

Fortunately, right now it seems that the us and uk military are as smart enough to try and do just this. Let's all hope they'll succeed in doing so.

[GT98]

Originally posted by slyfox


My question is, "How do you fight a bunch of religious extermist, that have no value for human life, who thinks it is their duty to fight and destory the infidels, and that dying while doing so he will recieve the greatest honor of all, to sit at the right hand of his god in the hereafter?".

This fact has been bothering me for some time also, but someone put in all into perceptive last week..His name was Steven Ambrose..hes an author of several books about the last "good" war like Band of Brothers (now an HBO miniseries) and was a consultant on the movie Saving Private Ryan. He said it was much like the Japanese Kamiakizi pliots at the end of the war...it was considered a great honor to die for the Empror.

The Coming war on Terroists will be like no other the world has seen. I don't see a large invasion of Afganstain...that isnt' the whole point..Our goal there is to destroy the Camps and get Mr Bin Laden. There isn't really anything in Afganstain worth bombing..I was watching Dateline last night and the country is a total mess! These people have abosuiltly nothing to live for and thats the biggest weakness/strength that the Terrioust have now. Its their strength because people think that their lifes are worthless they will do things like crash airliners into buildings without thinking twice because they think they will be at the right hand of allah.

The Military Campain will be pretty interesting...I forsee Special Forces going in and help train the Northern Allance thats in place (who is also going to get more Mil aid from Russia...go figure ) to help over throw the goverment. At the same time they will be blending in with the locals trying to find Terriosts and Mr. Bin landen. We will also hit their biggest export and money maker...drugs...So I guess that this will be the first real war on drugs too . There no reason to do a full scale invastion of Agfanstain....that would be plain stupid! The exit plan of this operation would be the following: Destruction of Bin Landen and his camps in country and the removal of the current goverment and it being replaced by a more moderate one with the UN providing support to rebuild it and to win the hearts and minds of the people.

Just my .02 cents on the whole thing!

Scott

[Gurm]

Ooh I _LIKE_ that idea.

First we make him have sex with a Christian and a Jewish prostitute - both American, of course.

Then we stuff pork down his throat, make him shit himself, force him to spill his seed on the ground, and keep him locked up facing west so there's no chance he can pray to Mecca...

Hmm, what else?

Oh yeah, shoot him up with Sodium Pentathol and get him to repeat blasphemous phrases over and over on live TV.

- Gurm