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    Christians in Islamic Countries Targeted
    NewsMax.com Wires
    Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2001
    WASHINGTON - The situation of Christians has deteriorated in many Islamic countries since the terrorist attacks on the U.S. and the subsequent U.S.-British raids on Afghanistan, according to Paul Marshall, a senior fellow at the Center for Religious Freedom.
    A prominent U.S. imam Monday assailed as un-Islamic the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries ranging from Indonesia to Nigeria. "The Koran enjoins Muslims to treat everybody with dignity and compassion," said Muzzamil Siddiqi, director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Calif., when asked about the murder threats, violence, forced conversions, incarceration and discrimination some Christians are being subjected to.

    Diane Knippers, president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, praised Siddiqi's remarks as a wonderful statement. "We need more of this. We need Muslim groups in the U.S. to raise their voices on behalf of Christians in predominantly Muslim areas."

    Knippers pointed out that "U.S. churches were quick to speak up on behalf of Moslems in our society. They rightly encouraged all America to treat them with respect. At the same time the churches should speak up when Christians in Muslim areas are in jeopardy."

    The National Council of Churches' news service also condemned persecution Monday.

    "We consider persecution of any religious group unacceptable. We are actively engaged in protecting Christians and other religious minorities in countries around the world in partnership with indigenous religious groups. To give specific details could jeopardize both their security and our efforts on their behalf," the service said in a statement.

    In a similar vein, Jerry Powers of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops stated that his church had been consistently active on behalf of persecuted Christians abroad.

    Marshall, an internationally recognized authority on religious rights, said Christians were in peril in a long belt of Muslim nations stretching from the eastern parts of Indonesia all the way to West Africa.

    In some cases this was due to government policies; in others religious fanatics are menacing Christians, embarrassing national governments, he added.

    In an interview with United Press International, Marshall drew a grim picture, country by country:


    Indonesia: In the eastern islands of this largest Muslim nation in the world, white-uniformed militiamen of Laskar Jihad are forcibly converting Christians to Islam. Marshall said this caused considerable embarrassment to the government, which did not condone such actions.
    This campaign has so far cost the lives of 5,000 to 6,000 people, the British-born scholar related. "There are links between Laskar Jihad and top terrorist Osama bin Laden," he said.


    Bangladesh: Small radical groups supporting Osama bin Laden have bombed or burned down churches.

    Pakistan: Christians depend on the protection of the government as several Muslim leaders have issued fatwas (religious decrees) to kill two Pakistani Christians for every Afghan Muslim who dies in the Anglo-American air raids.
    There have also been attacks on Christians along the Afghan border, Marshall told UPI.


    Egypt: The government discriminates against Christianity by financing the construction of mosques, while denying permits for the reconstruction of Christian sanctuaries, according to Marshall.

    Saudi-Arabia: In the last two months, 15 Christian expatriates have been jailed for worshiping in private homes, and three have been tortured, according to the religious rights organization International Christian Concern.
    An information officer at the Saudi embassy in Washington, who declined to give his name, denied this Tuesday: "As far as we know this is not true. We are not aware of any in jail at this time," he said.

    No religion other than Islam is allowed in the kingdom, and there is no church. When asked about this, Abdullah M. Khouj, rector of the Islamic Center in Washington, replied, "This is a matter to be negotiated between governments."


    Sudan: Some 2 million people, chiefly Christians, have been killed in a civil war fought by the radical Islamic regime in the north of the country against non-Arab population in the south, according to several sources including Marshall and Diane Knippers' Institute on Religion and Democracy.
    For several years now, international religious rights organizations have reported that Christians are being raped, tortured to death and crucified.


    Somalia: Anybody found out to be a Christian will quickly be beheaded by Muslim vigilantes, Marshall said.

    Nigeria: In 12 states, versions of Shari'a law, the Islamic penal code, have been imposed - in violation of the constitution of that African federal republic.
    After the imposition of Islamic law, riots ensued killing 5,000 in the city of Kaduna alone, said Marshall. Other reports put the death toll at around 1,000.


    In other Muslim countries, such as Algeria, Islamic radicals opposed to the government are killing other Muslims, primarily women and children although they have also murdered priests, nuns and even a bishop, Marshall explained.
    Others, such as the once-tolerant, formerly republican African nation of Mauritania are now taking tougher measures against Christians, Marshall continued. "If you arrive with a Bible, they'll take it off you. And it's illegal to preach Christianity to the locals."

    Becoming a Christian in many Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran or Afghanistan can mean that one loses one's job, one's ability to be educated, one's family, and even one's life, Wendy Norvell of the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board told UPI.

    Added Robert Reccord, president of the SBC's North American Mission board, "We look forward to the day when Christians living in Islamic countries will have the same religious freedoms that Muslims currently enjoy in the United States and Canada.”

    Copyright 2001 by United Press International.

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    And they say Islam is all about peace. Bulls***!!!!!

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  • #2
    Funny, people say Christianity is about peace, too.


    Islam can be (and, as I have observed IS) peace. The actions of a few don't define the entire religion.
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    • #3
      It depends on who and how your interpret the Quran. Thay shalt not kill unless justified. Who interprets whats Justified. The mullers I'm afraid.
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      • #4
        Islam can be (and, as I have observed IS) peace. The actions of a few don't define the entire religion.
        Well, if 3/4 are peaceful, why don't they control the 1/4 that aren't? Oh yeah, if they confronted them, then they wouldn't be peaceful anymore, but would be opposing other muslims.. the ones with the guns and violent tempers. If there is a war of Islam vs the West (and we'd better line up with our own religions.. Judaism is under attack as well as Christianity), guess who is starting it? The bloody Islamic bastards. They are the focus of evil in this world, so you'd better stop fighting ghosts from the past and get with the program. Christianity is a religion of peace, but that didn't stop the 30 years war.. didn't stop the bloodshed in Northern Ireland.. didn't stop two World Wars, either. So what is war really all about? It's not about religion, that's just a convenient excuse. It's about power, and always will be.

        I seem to be hearing all sorts of browbeating against us harming civilians, too, even though the civilians hide the soldiers in their midst. Our own non-combatant families were not spared in any of these wars.. they are not being spared by our enemy now.. in fact, they are the focus of terrorist attack. The British woman who sneaked into Afghanistan to take photos and report from there was confronted by an Afghan woman once she was found out. Know what the Afghan woman told her when she found that the British woman had only one child? "You British and American women are stupid. I have 15 children.. that's 15 to come fight against your 1." Those are the civilians that our feminized western liberals want to worry about harming. And the Afghan woman had a point, too.. our women don't want to have children anymore.. maybe one or two to satisfy their own desire to be a mother, but that won't keep up with the much higher average number of children that Islamic immigrants have in the West. Won't be too many years before they outnumber us in our own lands.. including the lands we have called home for millennia. And then they will take over. Is there still a heart among us who can feel for that? What a sorry lot we are, if not.
        Last edited by KvHagedorn; 18 October 2001, 02:50.

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        • #5
          I'm glad I haven't any children it's my nephews and neices I wonder about. Do they have a future and what future will it be like.
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          • #6
            My Mother goes to church every Sunday recently the congration has been filled by African Christans who have fled persucation. They are now very nervous again wondering if they're going to be persucated again in this country.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by KvHagedorn


              I seem to be hearing all sorts of browbeating against us harming civilians, too, even though the civilians hide the soldiers in their midst. Our own non-combatant families were not spared in any of these wars.. they are not being spared by our enemy now.. in fact, they are the focus of terrorist attack. The British woman who sneaked into Afghanistan to take photos and report from there was confronted by an Afghan woman once she was found out. Know what the Afghan woman told her when she found that the British woman had only one child? "You British and American women are stupid. I have 15 children.. that's 15 to come fight against your 1." Those are the civilians that our feminized western liberals want to worry about harming. And the Afghan woman had a point, too.. our women don't want to have children anymore.. maybe one or two to satisfy their own desire to be a mother, but that won't keep up with the much higher average number of children that Islamic immigrants have in the West. Won't be too many years before they outnumber us in our own lands.. including the lands we have called home for millennia. And then they will take over. Is there still a heart among us who can feel for that? What a sorry lot we are, if not.

              I agree about the point that your bring up here, but lets also remember that lets say that 5-7 of her children will die from diesases and war, where as in the west theres about 99% that both Children will live to be become adults without any problems. Also I bet if you put her into a western style setting she would be also only popping out 2-3 kids. Its much more a social/enocomic issue here then a reglious one. Hell if every Catholic was "good" there wouldnt be this problem!

              Scott
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              • #8
                Hell, one low-yield tactical nuke is worth one 20,000 man human wave assault any day.

                Go ahead and let them breed their cannon-fodder. Evolution favors the intelligent.

                Kevin

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                • #9
                  I agree about the point that your bring up here, but lets also remember that lets say that 5-7 of her children will die from diesases and war, where as in the west theres about 99% that both Children will live to be become adults without any problems. Also I bet if you put her into a western style setting she would be also only popping out 2-3 kids. Its much more a social/enocomic issue here then a reglious one. Hell if every Catholic was "good" there wouldnt be this problem!
                  Wow, maybe the pope has the right idea after all

                  Well, yes, say half her kids die from disease and war.. the strongest 7 kids survive! We have our own natural selection process here, too.. Say you had 10 kids.. over here they would probably survive to adulthood, but odds are one might not.. ok one dies from cystic fibrosis or something, one turns out gay, one decides she wants to pursue a career and never marries, one marries but she still doesn't want kids, one shoots up cafeteria in high school and goes to prison, one gets shot in the HS cafeteria and dies, one has a poor body image and gets anorexia and can't have kids, one becomes a goth and gets her face full of metal and her hair dyed green so no one will touch her, so you have two left who might reproduce themselves, if they can afford it, that is. (That means satisfying all their own selfish desires first and maybe having kids when they hit 35, by which time that Afghan woman would probably have 150 descendents )

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                  • #10
                    Any two well trained, well armed Americans are more than equal to any half dozen or more Talaban.

                    Bring 'em on!

                    Kevin

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                    • #11
                      will those two americans be able to outvote the 6 arabs?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KvHagedorn
                        will those two americans be able to outvote the 6 arabs?
                        Shit, several thousand wealthy democrats couldn't figure out how to vote in Florida, nearly half of the population doesn't vote, and you are worried about that?

                        Rags

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                        • #13
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                          Never underestimate your enemy. The incompetant British army did than with the Axis in 1939 and look at the problems it caused.


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                          • #14
                            I like to think we're a little better prepared now than we were in '39.

                            'Course, in '39 they probably said "We're better prepared now than we were in '14."

                            The tragedy is, they were probably right!

                            Kevin

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                            • #15
                              The trouble in the late 30's is that Britain didn't want to fight and was looking for any way out until Hitler didn't give them any option.
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