I'm a racist!

[Gurm]

Yup, it's true. I'm a racist. I hate ignorant people, and apparently they're a race now.

I'm thinking of starting a card program, so that those who feel the way I do can be "card-carrying racists"!

Whaddya think? Good plan?

- Gurm

[Dilitante1]

blatent attempt at humor......

"Not only is he the President, but he is a card holder as well. He'll show his card at restaurants, stores, anywhere there are ignorant people around, and he doesn't hesitate to point them out in public. Call now and get YOUR Anti-Ignorance Card....operators are standing by.......




-pickled

[efty]

Racism and ignorance

Maybe you are not racist, but you are close minded in regard to the Middle East conflict between palestinians and Israel.

[Dr Mordrid]

If being closed minded means one has examined the facts and found one sides logic and methods irrational and self-defeating then so be it.

Dr. Mordrid

[Rags]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
If being closed minded means one has examined the facts and found one sides logic and methods irrational and self-defeating then so be it.

Dr. Mordrid

Dr.,

Please realize that people who have no means of arguing or supporting their point of view have no other means to counter someone, thus they will quickly point to "racism" or "closed mindedness" everytime....what do you think?

Rags

[ALBPM]

I agree with Gurm....Some people are TSTL.....

TOO Stupid to Live.

Paul

[The PIT]

Has anyone noticed that in films or TV dramas it's always the white guy/girl whos being the racist.

Well in this country most people are ignorant don't give a shit about anyone else until someone does the same to them and then it's wah wah wah.

[efty]

Racism/close mindness and arguments

Dr. what I meant by saying closeminded, is that Gurm cannot step outside of the whole situation and see the whole picture. Right now he is inside and thus what he sees as a fact is skewed by several factors, emotion, patriotism etc.

Racism now. I am racist in the sense that when I see someone I judge him from his initial appearance, dressing code, manners. Then once I get to know him, I judge him from his education, family and so on. That's how people are. But as principle I do not believe that there are people TSTL.Everyone has a right to live.

[The PIT]

Funny I don't notice the colour unless they start nudging me in the side and say did you see how that policeman looked at me it's the colour of my skin for example.

[KvHagedorn]

I was raised to be very open minded and non-racist. My parents were very liberal socially. I still try not to judge individuals on a racial basis, but people are not and cannot function normally as only individuals. What most people do not understand (or are taught by propaganda to turn a blind eye to) is that there are two parts to every person's identity. A person is himself, an individual, with his own identity as such, and the right to be treated as such by other individuals. However, that person also is a part of a social group (or groups). People need both identities to really be emotionally healthy. Ever wonder why people in western societies are increasingly emotionally disfunctional? Why do we not get married and have children as often as those in "less priviledged" third-world countries? People have the emotional need of a community, an extended family, in order to have real hope in their lives. Our governments have been tacitly denying that need for political purposes. Historically, multiethnic states have been unable to avoid internal conflict and breakup when ethnic identities have been allowed to be expressed. Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia, The Soviet Union. Even Czechoslovakia felt the need to break into its two constituent parts. Some sort of overweening tyranny has always been necessary to keep disparate states together, and here in the west, that tyranny has reached into our minds and attempted to control our thoughts by means of "political correctness." I don't know how Orwell and Bradbury came up with their ideas for "1984" and "Farenheit 451", but they were both prophetic of our unfortunate world today. Those fictional worlds deny our humanity, and so does ours now. "Racism" has been socially engineered by the controlling factors in this society to be a crime worse than murder. The white men who dragged a black man to his death were convicted of murder and given the death penalty, but blacks and liberals still seemed to think this was not enough, that the murder somehow wasn't as bad as the racism that spawned it. This attitude is pure sickness. I have news for each and every one of you reading this. You are a racist. Deal with it. We all are. We have to be. It is a normal part of our makeup. The real crime is to deny our differences as we have been taught to do, or to allow those differences to be cause for hatred and vindictiveness. Therefore, you can see that the other real crime is to allow immigration to go unchecked, because when the veil of denial is lifted, immigration is just a civilized word for invasion. If it was unacceptable for the British to move into India and just take over, it is equally unacceptable for the converse to happen. Yet it happens, and in far more damaging ways than when colonialism occured. We in America continue to pay for our original sin of allowing slaves to be imported. The centuries of social unrest just aren't worth it. We should all respect each other and let each other be, but each in his own land! There is no better recipe for peace.

edit: proofread my grammar.

[Gurm]

leftychai,

I can step outside the box. It looks the same from outside. YOU can't step outside the box, and therefore anyone with a contrary opinion must be closed-minded.

- Gurm

[efty]

Closeminded

I explained what I meant by saying closeminded. It seems it was the wrong word.

I may not be able to step out of the box. But atleast I try to see both sides. The reason I am sympathasizing with the palestinians is that they remind me of my country's problem. However I am able to aknowledge the fact that the Turkish Cypriots have rights too. Their rights were violated and they were persecuted before 1974. They were conflicts between the 2 communities for long time. Both sides killing each other much the same way the palestinians and Israelites are doing now. There are 200 thousand refugees in cyprus now. Non of which are able to go to their homes. The places they were born and grown up. The turkish cypriots are allowed to come on the southern part however there is a lot of hatred between the communities. Some of them do and many of them just leave cyprus for the UK or other countries.

Gurm, do you recognize the right of a palestinian family to return to its birthplace? To its home, however bad that place may have been? Do you recognize their right to vote and be independend? Do you recognize that Israel is violating and has been violating their rights for many years?

[Indiana]

Re: Closeminded

Originally posted by eftychios
The reason I am sympathasizing with the palestinians is that they remind me of my country's problem. However I am able to aknowledge the fact that the Turkish Cypriots have rights too.

So you see you're biased as much as he is... (and everyone is, BTW, even though they're all claiming to be open-minded - well at least this sounds good).

Not everything that Israel is doing there is fine, sure - but with such terroristic actions like the ones done by the Palestinians AGAIN before the situation got that heated again how can you even start to argue???

And the Iraelis DO have the right to protect their security AND general interests just as much as the Palestineans - that don't really exist as "folk" IMO, they're more different "groups" with VERY different interests that are only kind of united by their hatred against Israel and the USA.
Take Israel away and they'd most probably bomb against each other.


P.S.: Gurm, you left out the "Both, 1 and 3" voting possibility...

[DentyCracker]

KvH has for the first in a long time (IMHO) posted something that makes sense to me. Unfortunately the view is a bit simplistic I think. At what stage do you check Immigration? Do you give back the land to the Indians? I think not. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then. To someone like me the whole idea of exclusion of a set of people from somewhere based on race is just weird. It amazes me that America views itself as the land of the free. I understand some of what those freedoms are, but a place that was segregated until fairly modern times doesn't qualify for that. In my opinion there is no (and likely will never be) a true "Land of the free" as long as man remains man. Somebody will always be wanting some more land for his progeny to live on and thus we will have war. A sad fact but one I believe to be true.
If you believe the Bible, the Arabs are the Ishmaelites so you can see what their beef with Israel is. The Turks are descendants of Edom (Esau) so they also have a beef. These conflicts are very deep rooted and aren't going to go away anytime soon. Cope

[efty]

The Descendants of edom

I did not know that the Turks are the descendants of Edom according to the bible. Could you please expand on that?

In reply to indiana's post. I am not saying that I am unbiased. I am just trying to show that there are a lot of views you can see something. There is no single side who is right or wrong. The people involved have to realize that and try and coexist.

Everyone has the right to defend his interests, but in the process he should not step over other peoples rights. Both sides have done many things wrong, what they need to do is try and respect each other as humans not palestinians or israelites.

It does not matter if palestinians did not exist as a group 50 years ago. What matters is that their rights have been violated for so many years. Just imagine your self as a "palestinian". Living in a refugee camp, not being able to go to your birthplace. Seeing what was once yours being occupied by other people. Imagining and experiencing this is very different. A lot of jews, may feel the same way for their houses and property in the former soviet union or any other place they have been driven out of.