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**Fat Tone** · 8 January 2002, 07:26

Are you saying we should blame the police and policy before the d*ck heads hooligans? Maybe that cop was out of order, but he didn't leave the ground early specifically to have a scrap. I'd like to see more people blaming them, and less blaming everyone else.

T.

**The PIT** · 8 January 2002, 11:58

No I'm not forgetting the thugs who also have a responsibilty. The Fan in question was stood by his coach when the policeman ran across the road shouting abuse and then started beating him.
How come the Millwall fan policy is well known to the away fans but not to the local police which it must be however they look the other way. By turning a blind eye and doing nothing is giving the hooligans a green light. The FA and Football league know about the problems but ignore it.
Local known thugs at our games get escorted to the ground on derby matches now theres something wrong there surely.

**RichL** · 8 January 2002, 17:34

I read a few of the reports about Cardiff FC, and the owner Sam Hamman in some of the daily papers - which in general backed up the BBC report.

They universally painted Mr Hamman as not a very nice person.
Apparently he's banned child mascots from accompanying the players on the pitch and moved the family seating area away from the tunnel (so the home supporters can hurl abuse at the players as they come on the pitch).
He organised a midnight ceromony where they burned football shirts of English clubs.
He arranged for a local journalist who had penned a slightly unflattering article to be doused with buckets of cold water when attending the match on New Years Day.
Another radio journalist who had questioned his practices was bombarded with hate emails and poison pen letters.
When a BBC Sport journo asked him about the crowd trouble at the end of the Cardiff/Leeds match, he had his minders confiscate the journos recording equipment and forcibly eject them from the ground.
Despite the pitch invasions and Leeds players being assualted before the Police rescued them, he insisted the Cardiff supporters were well behaved and did nothing wrong (except the few who threw things). The pictures splashed across every newspaper in the country of Cardiff fans, faces twisted with hate, being held off by riot police, seem to cast doubt upon Mr Hammans version of events.
And there are quite a few more anecdotes about his practices.

IMO, Cardiff should be thrown out of the FA Cup immediately or forced to replay the match at Leeds behind closed doors.

Hooliganism has no part on football anymore. Any club that fosters it or fails to take all possible measures to prevent it shouldnt be allowed to play.

**The PIT** · 9 January 2002, 01:31

Hooligism hasn't really left football just rather moved away outside of the ground. I know that as the yobs have moved into our area for drinking after the match.

However the press do like to overblow things at times. I've been to two local derbys one where there was massive violence after the match as reported by the national TV. We didn't see any violence and after a lot of asking around in the pubs we found out about a small incidant where one person did die but out of thirty odd thousand the fight involved less than 30 people. The other derby match the local papers screamed match held up by pitch invasion. The pitch invasion was one person who was caught striaght away by the stewards and the delay was from picking the ball out of the net and kicking it back up to the halfway line. I don't think the players even noticed the idiot.
Sometimes it would help if the press pictured fans from opposit teams talking and walking back home together but that just doesn't sell papers.

Like a said before they are known trouble clubs that for one reason or other have been allowed to get away with unruly fans.

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