Microsoft Bashing !?!

[LvR]

Have to agree that MSs Wxxx beats any other OS handsdown in the all-round adaptability and productivity stakes.

The Linux guys seem to be trying on the video though - see this

[leech]

Originally posted by Gurm
Hey Leech,

There are people like you who come into the #winbeta channel on DalNet. We mock them, and send them home crying to mommy. Now let me get my work done, ok? Since none of it can happen on my Linux box, I think I'll let that run the FTP server and the firewall.

- Gurm, stable on NT4/2K/XP since 1996.

Yeah, but unlike a lot of them, I know what I'm talking about

Leech

[leech]

Originally posted by LvR
Have to agree that MSs Wxxx beats any other OS handsdown in the all-round adaptability and productivity stakes.

The Linux guys seem to be trying on the video though - see this

Hmm, does ILM use Windows for their video editing??? NOPE, they use Linux now, they switched over for Episode 2!

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6011

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Leech

[Gurm]

Ok. You show me the commercially-available software for ... oh wait, you can't.

ILM uses custom-coded stuff. They chose Linux because it's easy to cluster, and has less overhead from the GUI.

There is no commercial software that lets me get my work done for Linux. Go away until you can show some to me.

- Gurm

[leech]

Originally posted by Gurm
Ok. You show me the commercially-available software for ... oh wait, you can't.

ILM uses custom-coded stuff. They chose Linux because it's easy to cluster, and has less overhead from the GUI.

There is no commercial software that lets me get my work done for Linux. Go away until you can show some to me.

- Gurm

Depends on what work you do. As far as office stuff goes there are tons of commercial ones, StarOffice, GobeProductive, etc. Maya 3D (which ILM uses a bit of) for 3D stuff. Really, there is plenty of commercial packages out there for just about anything.

Leech

[Wombat]

No, really, there aren't leech. I like Linux plenty, but the necessary apps aren't there. HP just got Dreamworks to switch all of their animation work over to HP Linux boxes (<I>Spirit</I> was done that way, 100%), but it happened because SKG uses their own software. StarOffice & Gobe just don't have the full compatibility they need yet.

[Dr Mordrid]

Not for video....

AVID Xpress DV for Linux? Nope
AVID Media Composer for Linux? Nope
In-Synch Blade for Linux? Nope
In-Synch Speed Razor for Linux? Nope
MediaStudio Pro for Linux? Nope
Premiere 6.5 for Linux? Nope
Vegas Video for Linux? Nope

The Linux video software I have seen/used is more in the realm of beginnerware, so it sounds like Linux is still in video amature night to me.....

Dr. Mordrid

[Gurm]

Video Editing? HAHAHAHA.

Office work? HAHAHAHA.

I'll qualify that. Star Office looks spiffy, runs spiffy - and isn't 100% compatible with MS Office. Until and unless it is, I can't use it. When I send a document to someone, or get a document from them, it has to work. FLAWLESSLY. 100%.

Let's see...

Photo Manipulation? There is no Photoshop on Linux. Don't tell me about Gimp, 'cuz it ... sucks. To do my work, I require software that you cannot get for Linux.

You aren't going to win this argument here. You are the latest in a long series of Lusers (Linux Users) who have come into MURC thinking they could convert us. While many people here like Linux and use it (myself included - although I come across as a MS Evangelist, I run Linux on my gateway box) we are realists who sometimes need to get work done.

Now go play with your crappy half-evolved window managers.

- Gurm

[[GDI]Raptor]

We have Linux & SunOS on alot of computers at the universety in Oslo. but it is the computers with Windows 2000 that is used most. Personly I don't like Linux at all!

Why not start some Linux bashing

[leech]

I'm not trying to WIN this. I'm simply joining in the Microsoft Bashing which is the topic of this whole thread. Linux does what I need, and faster and more stable and even more trustworthy than Windows. As far as MS Office compatibility, I know that comformance to their standard is neccesary, but what I'm wondering is WHY? There are more advanced methods of saving your document, but the office world sticks with what sucks.

As far as no photoshop for linux, Gimp does what I, that's right, me, myself and I, need. Then again I'm not a graphic designer or anything. Then again saying Gimp sucks compaired to photoshop is like saying a Pinto sucks compared to a Ferrari. You don't pay anything for Gimp and Photoshop is around 600 bucks. Hell I can build a whole computer for that much.

Everything I need for my production is in linux. Perl, Html, servers, word processing, minimal image editing/creation. And yes you can do video editing, though never tried it, but it IS possible.

Currently if you have a Marvel G400-TV at least linux drivers are still being updated.

Besides, I just hate Microsoft for other things besides crappy software.

Leech

[leech]

Originally posted by [GDI]Raptor
We have Linux & SunOS on alot of computers at the universety in Oslo. but it is the computers with Windows 2000 that is used most. Personly I don't like Linux at all!

Why not start some Linux bashing

Because linux is just programmed by a bunch of different people and it's FREE. Of course Windows is a Commercial product created by a megalomaniacal corporation. Sure you can go through all the bashing of linux, 'It's hard to set up, the interface is ugly. It's all beta software., and blah blah blah." Actually I LOVE the interface. I think WinXP looks like Fisher Price made it. And the 'theming' of WinXP doesn't even handle all the programs properly (like ICQ for instance) Yes, linux has it's problems, namely lack of commercial support. But it IS changing.

Leech

[rubank]

Gurm,

there´s no Photoshop for Linux (yet) but there is Corel PhotoPaint 9. There´s not much you can do in Photoshop that can´t be done in PhotoPaint.
Yeah, I know, Photoshop is better in some areas, but PhotoPaint is better in others.
I use both and I have to admit that for most (but not all) purposes I like PhotoPaint better. E.g. it has taken Adobe like forever to include some decent print control, something Corel has had for ages.

rubank

[leech]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
Not for video....

AVID Xpress DV for Linux? Nope
AVID Media Composer for Linux? Nope
In-Synch Blade for Linux? Nope
In-Synch Speed Razor for Linux? Nope
MediaStudio Pro for Linux? Nope
Premiere 6.5 for Linux? Nope
Vegas Video for Linux? Nope

The Linux video software I have seen/used is more in the realm of beginnerware, so it sounds like Linux is still in videdo amature night to me.....

Dr. Mordrid

Here's one. Don't know how good it is, but it is a Commercial package for linux for Video editing.

http://www.mainconcept.com/products.shtml

And here's a link perhaps you should look at.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/consumer_video_editing_linux.htm

Also, tell me what you think of this one, sounds pretty cool to me!

http://heroines.sourceforge.net/cinelerra.php3

I guess if you looked far enough you could find MANY movies that have used linux either with their own tools or with commercially bought ones that they use to create/edit their movies. I've read a few places that A LOT of special effects companies are switching over to linux for various reasons. So wether or not the named applications exist on Linux now, they most likely will have the same thing or something very similar in the not too distant future.

Leech

[Pace]

Besides, I just hate Microsoft for other things besides crappy software

Why not list them?

As for my software collection:

Photoshop - no real alternative. GIMP seemed nice for a while, but PS5 and up do everything I need.
Dreamweaver - no alternative.
Programming - pretty even, I have a nice IDE for Windows, but I could do this in Linux.
Web browsing - I like having Opera and IE installed, with a recent Mozilla build if I need it. Linux cuts off IE, and Opera is more up to date on Windows.
Email - don't use it that much anyway, but email clients are numorous: choose your flavour.
Videowave 5 - I doubt there's anything as easy to use as this on Linux, and there's even easier stuff to use in Windows. Just need to buy it now, still running the trial.

As for the cost of Windows, well, I paid £75 (US$110) for Windows 2000. I burned a copy of Mandrake onto 3 CDs, £1 ($1.40). Now then, would I rather spend £1 and have no software to run, or £75 (oh look, it's about 5% of the system cost) to run whatever I want. I know where my money (literally) is going. Do you?

While you're in here Doc, is it worth buying? I'll pop into DV when I actually get round to it

P.

[Marshmallowman]

video editing and linux have a long way to go..but its starting to get their , and it looks linux will have the only current drivers for marvel/rr (open source).

As to office products, openoffice is all I need. But if yoiu really want you can run MS-office with codeweavers crossover, but of course the latest version of office will break compatibily with the previous version as it always does forcing the nevending compatibility upgrades that have made MS so much money.

Photoshop..we'll you want to run photoshop on windows, state it like it is, you won't consider or try anything else there are altenatives but you are not even go try..so I won't bother trying.

Evolved GUI..bleh. I have watched MS incororate everything they can from oher gui's (apple and x-windows), spend your time find the gui that suits your needs, from sleek tight fluxbox to a fat bloated KDE or GNOME, which are all dawntingly customiseable...but no , you want the same warmed over interface you have grwon used to over the last decade..and X-guis are to differnt, and invlove learning to use something that IS more powerful.

People can and are running bussiness's and Governements using linux/opensourse software, the people that realise if you spend the time now, to learn and support development on the things you want to do you will save a fortune and get a product that is tuned and tailored to you needs, and you won't require a new verison when you upgrade your OS. FFS there are software libraries and application that were developed and compiled over 6 years ago that are commonly in use on modern up to date linux/unix installations and they run well because the coherent design of linux/unix.

MS -> were do want to go today--choose a,b or c

linux -> were do you want go tommorrow, open answers ONLY..whatever you can think up

I know what I want and I am going to do it, you can go do whatever MS alows you, the way they say...

Open source......open mind
land of the free? think about it