Autism epidemic?

[Sasq]

As a completly uneducated guess, I'd say at worse case the mmr triggers a latent condition, much the same way as smokeing pot can trigger latent schizophrenia.
A medical testing/quality control problem yes. conspiracy no

[GT98]

In my home town we have an Autism Cluster...with something like 10-20 kids affected with a total population in town of 75,000 people. What makes it really strange is my old neigbours daughter has two kids and the youngest has Autism and oldest one doesn't. My old boss used to live down the street from them and had 2 sons and both of them are fine...talk about fustrating trying to pin down a cause of something...

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by eftychios
Hey I had the mmr and I am ok At least I think so.
What are the symptoms?

The incessant posting of irrelevent, illogical nonsense to the web and the use of underscores as a suffix in your handle

Dr. Mordrid

[Gurm]

Hot damn. I guess I qualify!

http://www.thebigredbutton.com

- Gurm_

[jackzod]

It's never been proven that MMR (or measle vaccine) was related to autism.

Now, at what age do the children receive the vaccine ? here its around one, at what age will you begin to suspect that your child do not have a real social contact with you... Prolly around the same time (more or so), so the argument saying that he was ok till the vaccine is so so, at least until proven otherwise. Its very easy to made assumption, but you need to back it with facts.

[Dr Mordrid]

Anywhere from 16-18 months here, but as noted the percentage of children that get the vaccines would produce a much larger autistic population if that were the cause. It would have also peaked long ago when the vaccination rate maxed out. It didn't.

Something new, or at least newer than the vaccines, is at work.

Dr. Mordrid

[efty]

maybe it is not the same vaccine

[jackzod]

I agree with Mordrid, the vaccine hypothesis is one among many other, the only thing about it, its the sensantionilism it brings, so the journalist got hold of that and blew it out of proportion and context (what's new there...).

There are other hypothesis on autisme (environmental, childhood schizophrenia...)

Just look at GT98 post, what happens in his town would be more explained by environmental cause (pollution, metal, gaz) or genetic if its a small remote town with some cross-breeding (i don't know where he lives).

[Greebe]

My son was diagnosed with CP (Cerebral Palsy) ~10 months of age (major life threatening problems occured shortly after his 6 month vaccinations). For those who don't know CP is essentially a catch all term for when the medical community has no flippin clue. Today my son is 10 and hasn't had any abnormal health issues since prior to his 2nd BDay. He's developed as far as a 6 month old mentally (note). He has had every freakin test under the sun done and absolutely nothing appears to be wrong!

Dispite all this we cannot get life insurance for him (Hypocrasy in action)

Virtually every doctor and therapist claims he's not CP but rather extremely Autistic. He's perfectly normal in all regards except that. Heck so good looking he attracts women like you've never seen.

Being the parent of a child whom has this issue I can attest that the medical comunity needs to step up the research pace and drop the old school BS. There is very very little worse than having to deal with all that we've had to deal with in all this over the years. Our son is healthier than 90% of normal children even tho he cannot walk, talk (note), crawl, sit up one his own, feed himself et al. Despite all that he is better behaved than 95% of all children and is one of the happiest souls you have ever met.

I cannot say that this has todo with vaccinations or what is the culprit, tho I do have my beliefs on the true cause.

Note: There has been on rare occasion when he has talked... perfectly spoken words, but only lasts a few seconds. We have reports from school, doctors and therapists of the same occuring. It's like a normal child being bottled up inside so completely that there is no way for him to get out.

[KRSESQ]

A friend of mine has a daughter with CP. She is 20 and almost in the same boat. Confined to a wheelchair with little physical control and very difficult to understand speech. Never the less, she appears mentally very close to normal for her age.

No one is even willing to speculate on the cause. Although I wouldn't rule out a bad vaccine as a possible cause, I don't know what kinds of vaccinations she would have been given back then or how they differ from modern vaccines.

As Jackzod said, these problems are usually diagnosed at about the same time that children are normally recieving their vaccinations. I tend to think that this is more coincidental than causal. Clearly a LOT more research is needed. NOT more conspiracy rantings!

Very tough thing to have to go through. Just remember that you're far from alone.

Kevin

[GT98]

Originally posted by jackzod

Just look at GT98 post, what happens in his town would be more explained by environmental cause (pollution, metal, gaz) or genetic if its a small remote town with some cross-breeding (i don't know where he lives).

Well there isn't much in the way of cross-breeding here since the two counties that I live in/near have a population of nearly 2 million+ and we have large amount of people who move in from the North NJ/NYC/Long Island area since the cost of living down here is somewhat cheaper. The point I was making is that the case I know about (my Neigbours daughter youngest son) is that he was raised in the same envorment as his mother, her two older brothers and less then 50 feet away my sister and I where raised without any simptions of Austism. And if you go down the street to where my old Boss used to live his two sons are health kids without any problems. What might be going on in my old home town might be fluke due to the high population flux of people that might just have raised the % of austic children in the town.

[KRSESQ]

Its possible that people with autistic kids are moving into your community just to gain an improved living environment for their kids. Maybe the educational programs and medical facilities are better.

If the autism diagnosis rate is significantly higher for kids born in your community, then its probably time to look for environmental triggers. How's the air/water quality in your area?

It could even be that simple population stress is a trigger. Or all of the above. In this area, where air and water quality are excellent and the population is largely rural, the rate of autism-spectrum disorders is still relatively low.

Kevin

[Dr Mordrid]

The study took into account subject migration. It wasn't a big enough factor to affect the results.

Dr. Mordrid

[Gurm]

Not to bash the study just for the hell of it - but studies done over years and years, with the best of methods and intentions, found that power lines had "a direct correlation" to leukemia.

Turns out it had nothing at all to do with the power lines. Hindsight and all.

- Gurm

[jackzod]

Originally posted by Gurm
Not to bash the study just for the hell of it - but studies done over years and years, with the best of methods and intentions, found that power lines had "a direct correlation" to leukemia.

Turns out it had nothing at all to do with the power lines. Hindsight and all.

- Gurm

Thats always the problem with retrospective studies, too much bias involved, its always hard to draw neet conclusions