press without teeth?

[Wulfman]

some may have already seen them, but these photos popped up during the last days:









they show people called " terror suspects" by abc news (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/...1108_1603.html) [note: suspects, not culprit!] and US soldiers during a transport in a plane.

what makes me wondering is the style media is reporting on the issue: they are not showing the pics (sfc, abc) or are simply discussing WHO took the picture and that is illegal to make pics like that public.

of course, that is one way to write a story around this images.

but somehow I get the impression that they don't want to discuss the (imho cruel) way to handle the subjects.

and now go on and tell me that is ok to do this to suspects.

mfg
wulfman

[RedRed]

those 'POW's were held like that for how many hours?

We have regulations that mean we cant treat dogs like that.

As to any form of trial etc.... dont even start me on camp 'zulu'...


RedRed

[RedRed]

note the incontenance pads in picture 2,3 & 4

long flight....

also the pictures were almost definately taken by a marine - a little trophy...

[RichL]

Excuse me for playing devils advocate, but these people are potentially suicidal fantatics who think nothing of crashing planes into things. You dont take chances with people like that.

They're wearing ear defenders becuase the inside of an airborne C130 is noisy, and the cargo straps are to stop them bouncing around.

[rugger]

Originally posted by RichL
Excuse me for playing devils advocate, but these people are potentially suicidal fantatics who think nothing of crashing planes into things. You dont take chances with people like that.

They're wearing ear defenders becuase the inside of an airborne C130 is noisy, and the cargo straps are to stop them bouncing around.

I was about to say that. (the first part, since I don't know much about aircraft)

Yes, it is mean,

But sometimes you don't really have much of a choice.

[Dr Mordrid]

Amen. There are specialized aircraft for transporting dangerous criminals inside the US as shown in the movie Con Air, which is a real flight service run by the Feds, but there are damned few of them and I doubt they have in-flight refueling.

As for the restraints, incontence pads and headgear: RichL is right....you have to have rode in a C-130 to fully understand

Dr. Mordrid

[gt40]

I'd certainly trade my seat on the 100'th floor of the trade center on sept 11 for one of these.

[ALBPM]

My opinion is to put 2 of them per pallet and roll them right out the cargo door of the plane. Why should we even waste this much effort in transporting them anywhere.

Consider the opposite....

In afgahnistan, when these same poor prisoners being so abused on the plane took prisoners, they skinned them alive and left them to die slowly.

You want me to have pitty on these bastards, no friggn way!!!!

Paul

[gt40]

Originally posted by ALBPM
My opinion is to put 2 of them per pallet and roll them right out the cargo door of the plane. Why should we even waste this much effort in transporting them anywhere.

Too Humane.

ppl don't forget these are pow's

[thop]

technically they arent pow's

[Wulfman]

Originally posted by gtforty


Too Humane.

ppl don't forget these are pow's

I repeat it once more: suspects.

most likely even a death-sentenced person in the US is treated better than these...

mfg
wulfman

[Joel]

And of course I see the posting of this as bait to start an anti-American flame war. I will let it proceed at this point but I do reserve the right to lock or delete this thread if it gets out of hand.

Joel

[Wombat]

Yeah, but you see everything as that, Joel.

The sad fact is is that the press is constantly and heavily censored at the government's convenience. America is really bad about it, but Britian is even worse. It doesn't matter if you're talking about Afghanistan or WWII Europe.

[Wulfman]

ok with me, joel. I will do it myself if necessary.

censored? doesn't sound good for me...

mfg
wulfman

[Tempest]

That is undoubtedly not the most comfortable way of transporting people, but I don't think the soldiers themselves have first-class transportation either. Okay, so that flag hanging over the prisoners is like made just to attract some anti-American flames, but it's not like there is some rite going on or something. Considering the circumstances, I'm with rugger here and find the transportation conditions just about acceptable.