The movie: Jennin Jennin

[Admiral]

Originally posted by SpiralDragon
ok me toooooo depresed to answer..... (not depressed becuse of what is being said here) but i would like to give you my opinion on religion... they all say the same thing using difrent words and difrent means but esencialy all religions are one.... unfortunatly religous ppl just dont see it that way and try to claim the oposit.....

my opinion on what should be done with jerusalem is this.....

evict all citizens from both sides .. put it under the mandate of athiests and make it a site for pilgrims only.......

Most of the "religious people" are just full of religious pride and that is what's keeping them from understanding the very basics, essence, message of their religion.
The answer lies in simplicity, as long as there is the concept of good, a basic set of (just) rules and common sense it should work.
If you have the mine's better than yours attitude... well, it means you haven't learned anything.

Originally posted by Umfriend
I like that. To celebrate, we will also erect statues of Beelzebub and Baal there ! Atheists coming and living there may enjoy the art of it.
Umf

Burn the heretic !!!

[Jammrock]

That would be a good way to get the Jews and the Muslims to work together just long enough to kill everything in Jerusalem...and then turn on each other.

I say we give both sides really big guns and let them kill each other off. Oh wait, we already do that...

Jammrock

[Gurm]

*sigh*

1. Big boat on top of Mount Ararat. Satellite photos abound, eyewitness accounts as well. Sadly, the Turkish authorities don't like allowing access, and the geography is particularly inhospitable when they do.

2. If I start a foofoo silly made-up religion, declare myself the TRUE descendant of Ishmael, and declare that Jerusalem is my most holy site, that doesn't give ME any claim to it. Why should it be different for Islam? Oh wait, because they KILL people that disagree with them, whereas I only mock them.

- Gurm

[efty]

The claim of the Palestinians is not based on religion.

2. If I start a foofoo silly made-up religion, declare myself the TRUE descendant of Ishmael, and declare that Jerusalem is my most holy site, that doesn't give ME any claim to it. Why should it be different for Islam? Oh wait, because they KILL people that disagree with them, whereas I only mock them.

Isn't that what Moses did?

[KRSESQ]

""1. Big boat on top of Mount Ararat. Satellite photos abound, eyewitness accounts as well. Sadly, the Turkish authorities don't like allowing access, and the geography is particularly inhospitable when they do.""

Unless you've seen MUCH better pix than the Iconos Satellite images, you make a poor case. I've seen the Iconos images (1 meter resolution) and they're not exactly definitive. As for the eyewitness accounts, some people will say ANYTHING for attention.

Gonna have to do better than that.

Kevin

[Wombat]

The IKONOS pictures are anything but convincing. Yeah, there's something there. Rock, plane crash, I have no idea. It certainly doesn't scream "boat." Satellite images certainly do not "abound." IKONOS didn't prove anything, Quickbird 2's half-meter resolution hasn't seen anything but clouds, and the Keyhole pictures are still classified.

[Umfriend]

If I start a foofoo silly made-up religion, declare myself the TRUE descendant of Ishmael, and declare that Jerusalem is my most holy site, that doesn't give ME any claim to it. Why should it be different for Islam? Oh wait, because they KILL people that disagree with them, whereas I only mock them.

Same goes for the Jewish claim at the end of the day m8. Me an Amorite is....
Umf

[Dogbert]

This is going to be fun...

*IF* you don't believe in the Bible, you can't be Christian nor Jewish. If you claim to be christian, you do believe in the bible.
Start by solving your personal paradox, then move on outside of your own self.

eftychios,

Isn't that what Moses did?

Hmmm... NO.
Re-read the bible. Check about the years when Joseph lived in Egypt.

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by Umfriend
Same goes for the Jewish claim at the end of the day m8. Me an Amorite is....
Umf

Let's start from the beginning. Can you prove you're an Amorite ?

[Umfriend]

What kind of evidence would convince you?

[Dogbert]

Family tree ? Documents or family heritage >1000 years old ?

[Umfriend]

Have to check the family archive, but I don't think we got those, and even those wouldn't be enough, would they?

But do you deny that the Amorites were brutally massacred and that this masacre was and is justified by claiming divine command?

Would you agree that as long as perceived divinity is the basis of claims, there really is no sense in talking about this at all?

Umf

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by Umfriend
Have to check the family archive, but I don't think we got those, and even those wouldn't be enough, would they?

But do you deny that the Amorites were brutally massacred and that this masacre was and is justified by claiming divine command?

I never denied and I agree with you. But as far as I remember there was nothing left of the Amorites. This is why I want the proof.

Would you agree that as long as perceived divinity is the basis of claims, there really is no sense in talking about this at all?

Umf

Once again, whatever the reson, the people of Israel are the oldest surviving nation to have a claim on this land and with the longest documented stay in it.


About the first part of your post. After you successfully prove you're a direct descendant of the Amorites, you'll also have to find more like you who in turn would restate themselves as the old nation of the Amorites and be accepted as a new nation (Just as the Palestinians did). Once you manage all that, you have my vote for getting a part of the old city of Jerusalem according with your numbers as long as you return to the old customes of the amorites (I'm not sure whether it was passing your 1st born son in fire or slaughtering him relax, this part is a joke)

[efty]

Hmmm... NO.Re-read the bible. Check about the years when Joseph lived in Egypt.

This is the reply I expected. The Bible cannot be considered as historical evidence, which is what you are doing.

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by eftychios


The Bible cannot be considered as historical evidence.

And why is that ?
If the bible cannot be considered as historical evidence, then:
a. your question about Moses shouldn't be asked since you know nothing about him or his existence.
b. archeology is the only way to go. By which my claims remain.

Like I said in my previous post, first solve the paradox within, then try to solve the one outside.