How Yugoslavia outsmarted NATO

[Dogbert]

Dr Mordrid,

Don't bother wasting your time on this troll. He's always on the same track. Either he was born that way, or he became senile with age, he's a waste of time.

[goldstein]

I have to agree with you there Doctor, my concern is how the balance might change when/if Iraq develops nukes. Saddam is crazy enough to throw a Hail Allah and hide in some bunker for 50 years. Perhaps if the world could turn off the oil spiggot in favor of alternative fuel it would dismantle the $$$ powersource for most Arab countries (and correspondingly some terrorist bankrolls). Pity Israel isn't sitting on some massive oilpool.

ps. Zeevy, now your dictating to Dr.M and how he should think and who he speaks to? Is your ignore button broken?

[Dogbert]

No, but I wonder whether YOURS is.

And while you're at it, why don't you address my questions from this thread ?

[goldstein]

Because I do not respond to mental cases.

[Dogbert]

You mean cases against your distorted mentality ?

[Admiral]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
Any port in the storm my friend. This is an alliance of strateigic convenience at best. Eventually he will get his, but only after we get what we need out of him and his ilk.

If you strategically convene too much (with the wrong guys) people might start not believing your "just cause" speeches... lack of integrity.
Then again I'm not sure what to say, it's probably strategic convenience that got Romania into NATO

[Wombat]

North Korea has admitted that it's violating nuclear weapons treaties. More disturbing is that UN estimates say it will have enough plutonium generating capacity to make 50+ warheads a year once their reactors come online.

And what has N.Korea done that say, India hasn't? They didn't break the treaty, the US did when it didn't come through with fuel and power.

[goldstein]

Admiral, are you near Bucharest? Is the Romanian Athenaeum still a classy concert hall. I saw a version of Verdi's Rigoletto quite a few years back - beautiful acoustics.

[thop]

duuno much about the US relations with india, but pakistan was a "good friend" for some time during the last year as we all know. and we all know "good friends" aren't cheap. guess they stocked up their nuclear weapons pretty good.
but then the US probably chose the smaller of two evils. it is just that i see a pattern here through the (US) history, your foe's foe is not really your friend. one day he may come back.

[Admiral]

Originally posted by goldstein
Admiral, are you near Bucharest? Is the Romanian Athenaeum still a classy concert hall. I saw a version of Verdi's Rigoletto quite a few years back - beautiful acoustics.

Ya, I live in Bucharest, 5-10 km away from it. And it's still a classy concert hall, though to my shame I never attended one there.
Right now the whole area is security tight packed, Bush's coming in tomorrow and he has to choose one of the 5 roads (ways/courses) proposed so the whole city center and some roads that lead from the airport are pretty much messed up.

[RedRed]

I think that the US will only be able to play the 'broken wing'/you are with us or against us card for Iraq at MOST.

I really cant see world opinion supporting BUSH for anything more. Questions are being asked in the UK (over all the papers yeterday) about how far the british army can overextend itsself - between:

Northern Ireland
Bosnia
Afghanistan
the Falklands
& various relief work in Africa
(+ managing under the fire strike - 6000 troops)

A formal request came from bush yesterday for more troops - Tony said 'yessah!', the rumer is currently 15,000 - this number can only be met at the moment if all leave is cancelled or the is a major redeployment. - the Britihs chief of staff in a briefing with Geoff Hoone (defense Sec., UK) said that he was concerned that his troops would be unable to train/we not prepared for Iraq - AND HE SAID THIS AT A PRESS CONFERENCE - (you should have heard the nervous lafter of Jeoff Hoone after his comments !!!_

Other countries are already showing reluctance to support bush in this crusade - Germany & France at the moment - they probably wont support further adventures, (without MAJOR consessions from the US on other things)

Dont assume that bush will be able to 'tick' off the rest of the list of 'axis of evil' so easily...

bush might well break NOTO in this, trying to get reluctant members to sign up to this 'war on terror'/extension of US forien policy...

RedRed

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by Wombat
And what has N.Korea done that say, India hasn't? They didn't break the treaty, the US did when it didn't come through with fuel and power.

You have it ass-backwards.

North Korea is the one that unilaterally abrogated the treaty re: their reactors and nukes long before the US and its allies stopped the oil and power shipments. The allies actions were a direct reaction to NK's abrogating the treaty.

As far as India goes we never had a treaty with them. Almost the entire world tried to intervene between India and Pakistan as well. This was humanitarian in that nobody, and I do mean nobody, wanted the whole f***ing region to glow in the dark just because they couldn't stop whacking their things on the table.

Dr. Mordrid

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by RedRed
....bush might well break NOTO in this, trying to get reluctant members to sign up to this 'war on terror'/extension of US forien policy...

RedRed

I have a whole post on the subject of Europe, NATO & such in the works. I refer you to it once it's posted in reply to the above drivel.

Dr. Mordrid

[Technoid]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid

This was humanitarian in that nobody, and I do mean nobody, wanted the whole f***ing region to glow in the dark just because they couldn't stop whacking their things on the table.

Dr. Mordrid

When Chernobyl when south We in sweden got a bit of the fallout and that would just have been nothing compared to fallout after a nuclear exchange

[Wombat]

North Korea is the one that unilaterally abrogated the treaty re: their reactors and nukes long before the US and its allies stopped the oil and power shipments. The allies actions were a direct reaction to NK's abrogating the treaty.

Where's a timeline? Everything said that N. Korea "shocked the world" only a few months ago, long after the light water reactors were supposed to have been completed.