Show me the money !

[Dogbert]

2 major things:

1.[quote]U.S. press coverage of Israeli attacks on the Palestinian Authority and Palestinian towns on the West Bank often treat the U.S. government as either an innocent bystander or an honest broker in the current conflict, often without giving a full sense of the importance of the United States role as a supplier of arms, aid, and military technology to Israel. In its role as Israel’s primary arms supplier, the United States could exert significant potential leverage over Israeli behavior in the conflict, if it chooses to do so. [quote] You wouldn't believe how much they have chosen to do so. Especially when we were a few kilometers from conquering Cairo and Damascus in 1973.
Or for example the Falcon deal with China. Believe me, the information you saw in the news about it is just the tip of the iceberg. They made it clean and simple to make it disappear fast even though it wasn't. Israel didn't retaliate during the gulf war and rhere are countless more examples if you care to look for them.

2. As you can see in this report, you can tell where almost every dime went. I can easily get even more info about where the money went and [b]how much was used for buying American goods[b].
Can you tell me where did all the money given to the PA went ?

Food for thought...

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by R.Carter

The second Palestinian uprising was essentially triggered by Ariel Sharon's visit in 2000 to the al-Aqsa mosque, wasn't it? The more cynical might think that he intentionally provoked the Palestinians.

That's total BS. This is what CNN told you. What they didn't tell you is that it [b]was in accordance with the Israeli-Arab (read palestinians) parliament members who were there with him and that once the cameras arrived took their distance and started warming the crowd. That was nothing more than a petty excuse.

BESIDES: This is temple mount which actually is under ISRAELI control.

[Dogbert]

1 things still confuses me.
According to your article:

Since 1976, Israel had been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance. According to a November 2001 Congressional Research Service report, Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, U.S. aid to Israel in the last half century has totaled a whopping $81.3 billion.

$81.3 billion dollars were received by the U.S and there's a big list of fighter jets and other very expensive stuff bought with this money. IMHO this is enough to start a new country with a whole new army...
It's also enough to build anything you'd like, like factories and stuff...

Now, according to my article (1st post of this thread), Arafat controls over $50 billion. Divide it by 2 million and you get 25 hundred dollars he could give to each and every Palestinian.
He is also getting huge amounts of $$$ and military equipment and explosives from neighbouring countries (tunnels going from Rafiach to Egypt for example) which means even more money.
IMHO that's more than enough to start a new economy and kill poverty almost at once.
yet he chose not to do so... Why ?

[KeiFront]

from www.paktoday.com/gary2.htm The hackers discovered records of about $8 billion the PLO held in numbered bank accounts in New York City, Geneva and Zurich. In addition, it held smaller secret accounts in North Africa, Europe and Asia. The records obtained showed the PLO secretly owned shares in the Tokyo and Paris stock exchanges and expensive real estate in London, Paris and other European capitals. They listed companies that fronted for the PLO, stocks the PLO held in Mercedes-Benz, shares in the national airlines of the Maldives and Guinea-Bissau and other holdings of about $50 billion for the year 2000"

It seems that that 50 billion consist of real estate, shares/stocks and some bank accounts. So you can't divide it and give it to the 2 million Palestinian. And I don't think it would even be possible to give every Palestinian some money to survive the Israelean occupation.

Originally posted by Dogbert $81.3 billion dollars were received by the U.S and there's a big list of fighter jets and other very expensive stuff bought with this money. IMHO this is enough to start a new country with a whole new army...

Israel is an economically, technologically, and militarily advanced country, with a per capita rate of $14,000, which is higher that that of all neighboring Arab countries, including the oil-rich Saudi Arabia. Yet the US aid to Israel constitutes 30% of the total US foreign aid budget. Maybe the US could better give that 30% to thirld world countries to help them instead of giving Isreal $1.8 billion for buying weapons to kill innocent civilians.

Dogbert can you tell me when will Israel stop violating UN resolutions, stops breaking the Geneva Convention? And when will it abide to international human rights standards?

P.S.

Originally posted by Dogbert they're black animals dieing far away, that's why.

pretty insulting comment . No they're people dying far away no animals .

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by KeiFront
Dogbert can you tell me when will Israel stop violating UN resolutions, stops breaking the Geneva Convention? And when will it abide to international human rights standards?

P.S.
pretty insulting comment . No they're people dying far away no animals .

1. The U.N !? What's/who's that ?
Oh, it's those funny guys who gave the "security council" presidenship to the terror funding country called Sirya. Riiiiight...
Geneva convention ? Did the Arabs hear about it ?
Human rights !? Nice one

2. It wasn't my way of seeing them. It's the way the west sees them.
proofs: Slavery by Europeans and their decendants.
Slavery by Arabs.
The way your people treated Congo.
Should I continue ?

[Dogbert]

When was the last time Belgium did give any of those to Congo ?

[R.Carter]

Originally posted by Dogbert
[B]That's total BS. This is what CNN told you. What they didn't tell you is that it was in accordance with the Israeli-Arab (read palestinians) parliament members who were there with him and that once the cameras arrived took their distance and started warming the crowd. That was nothing more than a petty excuse.

BESIDES: This is temple mount which actually is under ISRAELI control.

Yes, I suppose that is true.

Most people will point to Ariel Sharon touring the al-Aqsa / Temple Mount complex in Jerusalem with, I think, half a dozen Members of Knesset (not sure but I think they were Likud Knesset) and about 1,000 Police and Border Guards at 7:30 a.m. on Sept. 28th 2000 as the cause. It is my understanding that he did so in order to assert Jewish sovereignty over the holy site.

Of course, I fail to see how someone would fail to think that this wouldn't be seen as provoking the Palestinians or that some wouldn't make use of it to start something.

But I suppose that technially the uprising did, in fact, really start the day after which was a Muslim holy day. So there were many thousands of Muslims gathered to pray.

Of course, it shouldn't come as a surpise that rocks started being thrown and what with the extra Israeli police and military that were sent into the area there were violent clashes.

Basically ending the ill conceived Oslo peace accord.

One has to wonder what would have happened if Sharon hadn't gone to al-Aqas in the first place.

In response, the U.N. Security council passed Security Council Resolution 1322.

[thop]

Pain leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

[Dogbert]

Originally posted by R.Carter

Basically ending the ill conceived Oslo peace accord.

One has to wonder what would have happened if Sharon hadn't gone to al-Aqas in the first place.

In response, the U.N. Security council passed Security Council Resolution 1322.

Oslo accord never started. Check how much of it did Israel keep vs. how much did the PA keep...

About the Resolution 1322, what the hell is Al-Haram Al-Sharif ???
Never heard of this place. Is it somwhere in the RIF (Republique Islamique Francaise) ? Ofcourse the U.N condemns only Israeli agression.

[KeiFront]

Originally posted by Dogbert
About the Resolution 1322, what the hell is Al-Haram Al-Sharif ???
Never heard of this place. [/B]

On Friday, September 29, thousands of Palestinians gathered for worship at the Haram al-Sharif in response to Ariel Sharon's visit, regarded by Palestinians as a deliberate provocation. The massive Israeli police presence in the Old City and around the Haram al-Sharif led to an atmosphere of extreme tension and resulted in Israeli occupation forces, including snipers, opening fire on the Palestinian worshippers and killing five Palestinians within the Haram al-Sharif, thus triggering the bloodiest Israeli-Palestinian confrontations since the beginning of the Oslo process in 1993.

[KeiFront]

Originally posted by Dogbert
Geneva convention ? Did the Arabs hear about it ?
Human rights !? Nice one

Sorry Dogbert but if you don't care about Human rights, the Geneva convention etc. Than you're still living in the stone age.

Better read the universal declaration of human rights you could learn a lot from it:

http://web.amnesty.org/web/aboutai.nsf/eba23df5e997e77f80256a5700699091/b5bffd26c5cc90568025677f004edc9a!OpenDocument

End of discussion.

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"When was the last time Belgium did give any of those to Congo ?

At least we admit that we we're wrong and we apologized for most of our mistakes.

http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35947&pagenumber=2&postid=294751#post294751

http://www.guardian.co.uk/congo/story/0,12292,765632,00.html

http://theearthcenter.com/belgium.html

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