From a US Marine in Bosina

[Jammrock]

1600 is the current max. GWB took the test back in what...the 1970's? Don't know for sure if the number was lower back then, though.

I know someone that scored a perfect in the math portion of the SAT and got accepted to MIT. Alas, he didn't have the cash to go so he skipped school altogether and became a programmer.

Jammrock

[cjolley]

Originally posted by Jammrock
1600 is the current max. GWB took the test back in what...the 1970's?...
Jammrock

Your youth is showing
I took the test in 68' and Bush is older than I am.
chuck

[Dr Mordrid]

The actual max SAT score has been "adjusted" up and down over the years. The numbers I got were from a news site that wrote an article on the worn out "GWB is dumb" debate. Yes...it was a mainstream site.

Dr. Mordrid

[thop]

The thing the French, Germans and their ilk should get straight is that this is the prevailing opinion of them in the US and their incessant whining just brings on a big round of LOL's.

I just hope that when the next 9/11 happens you won't be hearing many LOLs from those countries because of your attitude. It seems not only is teaching of geography neglected in the US but also of respect and discussion culture.

[cjolley]

Originally posted by thop
I just hope that when the next 9/11 happens you won't be hearing many LOLs from those countries because of your attitude. It seems not only is teaching of geography neglected in the US but also of respect and discussion culture.

Suppose Catholic terrorists blew up a couple of big buildings in Frankfort and killed 3000 Germans.
Then suppose that Argentina looked like it might develope Nukes and slide a couple over to the Catholics so they could make a bigger bang?

How would you feel if Americans said:
"War is bad. Just talk to them and maybe they won't realy do it."

The implication is that Iraq's civilian lives are worth more than America's.

Needless to say, that does not go over very well here.
chuck

[lurqa_MU]

Catholists in Germany

Originally posted by cjolley
Suppose Catholic terrorists blew up a couple of big buildings in Frankfort and killed 3000 Germans.

On a scale from 1-10, how likely do you think this is?


Regards,
lurqa

[cjolley]

Re: Catholists in Germany

Originally posted by lurqa_MU
On a scale from 1-10, how likely do you think this is?


Regards,
lurqa

A lot less likely than Osama getting a nuke from Sadam and blowing up New York City.
That's the whole point.
Our country is realy in that kind of danger, Germany is not.
That is why our attitude is different.

chuck

Edit: for clarity

[Dr Mordrid]

Yup....once you've paid for 8+ years of ignoring these problems with the blood of 3000+ innocent people your perspective changes a bunch. Because of this the US is not taking chances any more.

If others can't understand that then maybe they will when Paris, Berlin or some non-US city is glowing in the dark, poisoned or in the midst of a man-made plague.

I hope it doesn't come to that, but one way to prevent such a thing is to stop state-sponsorship of terrorism before it does. And make no mistake about it: UBL and the rest are state-sponsored and persuing such goals.

Also comforting is that they're also funded by the drug cartels, so enjoy your drug of choice with the knowledge that somewhere a shoulder-launched SAM or a case of Semtex is being bought with the profits.

Dr. Mordrid

[thop]

I think Jammrock already sumed the attitude thing up quite good (already quoted by GT98 earlier this thread):

The main cause is the basic differences in lifestyle and ideology. The US has a capitalistic 'keep-up-with-me-or-get-out-of-my-way' ideology, whereas *most* Europeans have a more socialist, liberal ideal's that are considered extreme leftist here, which is very unpopular. When a leftist from Europe attacks the US ideals, you get clashes like this one.

Just to understand your viewpoint better, how likely on a scale of 1-10 do you think is it that osama will blow up NYC (or any other place in the US) with a nuke provided by saddam?

[thop]

I hope it doesn't come to that, but one way to prevent such a thing is to stop state-sponsorship of terrorism before it does.

I thought everyone agreed (especially in the US) that this kind of terrorism is so difficult to fight because it is not state sponsored (if you exclude maybe saudi arabia).

Or actually what i meant to say is that it is de-centralized and is spread all over the world with funds coming from nobody knows where, so it is kinda impossible to stop the funding.

[Dr Mordrid]

It doesn't matter where UBL or whoever else gets it from.

It could be Saddam (working on him now), Iran (who sponsor more terrorist organizations than you have sox) or North Korea (who will sell anything to anyone for a price).

The end destruction is what needs preventing, and the typical European hand-wringing about the messanger of bad news isn't going to solve the problem.

Dr. Mordrid

[Novdid]

I guess my post was a bit offensive...

[cjolley]

Originally posted by thop
Just to understand your viewpoint better, how likely on a scale of 1-10 do you think is it that osama will blow up NYC (or any other place in the US) with a nuke provided by saddam?

If we do nothing at all to defend ourselves: 100%

What would you have thought the chances of Osama killing 3000 innocent shop keepers and secretaries by flying occupied planes into NYC buildings was before 9/11?
On a scale of 1 to 10.

chuck

[cjolley]

Originally posted by Novdid
I guess my post was a bit offensive...

What post?
What offense?
I don't get it.
chuck

[thop]

That the WTC gets blown up (by a car filled with explosives, parked in the basement, like it happened before): 4
The way it happened on 9/11: < 1

But a nuke? That's a whole different league. I give that a probability of 0 on a scale of 1-10.