What will we do if Parhelia doesn't make the shelves?

[Ant]

I'd expect to pay around $300 for the "low end" Parhelia and $1000 maybe more for the high end Pro version, with a couple of models in between. Memory, well expect say 64MB on the low end card with a couple of 128 meggers followed by a 256MB beast at the top end.

Quite when they will deliver in quantity I wouldn't like to hazard a guess even if they announced today as we know what their track record has been like on that front.

[RedRed]

when did ant change his sig to 512 bits of gpu goodness?

[Belwarrior]

I always believed Matrox will be out with a new good card Soon.. But I would rather wait for the official announcement before getting my hopes high..

That said, i cant help my fingers being itchy to grab one the moment one arrives here...

[knirfie]

somewhere between yesterday and today i would say, he still had the old one yesterday, but the new one sure does look good.

[Nappe1]

Re: errrmm...

Originally posted by PXR5
isn't anyone else going to comment on Ant's new sig?
---e

so we have 256Bit DDR memory bus there after all. (it needs 512Bit Internal bus to chip so that it can handle fast enough all transfers from the chip to the on board memory or vice versa.)

[MK]

Or 4 x 64 Bit DDR ...

MK

[Nappe1]

Originally posted by MK
Or 4 x 64 Bit DDR ...

MK

Maybe even more... 8 channels would make it even more efficient if they have "afford" (room for additional transitors.) to make powerful enough memory controller. (that would be like own channel for the each chip. if we presume that they will use regular 32bit SDRAMs.)

[TdB]

would a memory-tech like that be effective enough to actually "solve" the bandwith problem(as heard in some rumors)?

I mean would a card like that reach its teoretical peak fillrate in real games?(like the kyro can)???

[Nappe1]

Originally posted by TDB
would a memory-tech like that be effective enough to actually "solve" the bandwith problem(as heard in some rumors)?

I mean would a card like that reach its teoretical peak fillrate in real games?(like the kyro can)???

that depends on many things with normal renderer (not TBR like Kyro is.)

but with that amount of bandwidth, if we have enough rendering pipelines with suffient amount of TMUs, it will easily surpass all current competitors.

IMR cards never fully reach their teoretical fill rates, but you can get a close.

[frankymail]

Hey, don't any of you guys remember talks of embedded memory in the near past ? Bitboys (and the Matrox rumors )anyone? I strongly believe that the 512 bits allusion of Ant is about the internal bandwidth of the chip to and from the memory controller or the embedded memory... Didn't VigilAnt allusion to Parhelia's Uber-fast memory system rig a bell to any of you?

"3. It is fast. It will have a new memory design, different from all current video cards. Memory speed will be faster than the current fastest (a GeForce4). Faster by a huge margin of victory (~19GB/s bandwidth)."

Quick calculations guys: 512 bits embedded momery architechture X 300 MHz core speed give . . . Oh My God, what a Coincidence . . . 152 Gb/s . . . 19 GB/s Memory Throughput

I think everyone has to agree that VigilAnt's guesses and Ant's new sig is more than a coincidence.

I've been saving for this card since June 1999 (the day I got my G400)... I got a lot a dough placed aside for this one (the Only other video cards I bought were a Radeon LE and a Radeon 8500, and I got a free Geforce 3 to preview) so if I don'T get a review sample from Matrox (and hopefully I will ), I'll treat myself to a the Highest-end (or maybe Near-highest end, say the MAX version with 128 MB, Sub-15. DVI-I and S-Video).


ANd Hey Big M, I got some names you could use :

Low end: Matrox Burst(tm) Video Card
Med end: Matrox Rafale(tm) Video Card
High end: Matrox Barrage(tm) Video Card
Very-High End: Matrox "Osama-Bin-Laden-Ator"(tm) Video card

What?

There's a war(humhum) going on right?

Maybe this Could be Matrox' War Effort, and I'm sure it would be very good for publicity: Every Joe-Blow in America would want to buy a Matrox' Osama-Bin-Laden-Ator-Equipped Dell PC

Well, See you guys at the end of may, when Parhelia Actually gets annouced... just like the G200 and G400 were... and on shelve in September

C Ya

[superfly]

Originally posted by Nappe1


Maybe even more... 8 channels would make it even more efficient if they have "afford" (room for additional transitors.) to make powerful enough memory controller. (that would be like own channel for the each chip. if we presume that they will use regular 32bit SDRAMs.)

Having that many channels(8x32 bit) would increase the pin count on the graphics processor by an obscene amount,making it very expensive to produce,getting pretty close to 1000 pins on the packaging...


That's about the same pin count that AMD will use on the sledgehammer series of cpu's intended for servers,meaning it'll cost lots of $$$.....


As it is,the GF3/GF4 memory architecture forces the Nvidia to use about 715 pins on the graphics processor packaging,which is about 150 more pins than a traditional single channel 128 bit bus,like the one in the GF2 class of cards...

[Ant]

Nice to see all that grey matter being put to good use

[Sasq]

Only after you used the sledge hammer of subtle hints

[Kruzin]

Perhaps a true 256bit DDR (512bit) memory interface, with, say, four independant 128-bit controllers coupled with Ant's alleged 512bit GPU would provide the rumored ~19GB/sec of memory bandwidth...

hmmmmm.....

[frankymail]

Guys,
Altough multichannel memory subsysytem is possible (4 x 64 bits or 2 x 128 bits), I suggest that you don't get your hopes to high about this. Does had too much pins... And 8 x 64 or 4 x 128 is out of the question; we want a fast graphic chip, not a cactus

About 256 bits memory: sure, it would be nice, but first: there isn't any readily available, and second: do you know how much 128 MB of 128 bits <= 3.6 ns DDR cost? Well, multiply that by about 1.5-1.6 and you get the projected price of 256 bits DDR memory...

I think some of you haven't fully understood yet what "new memory design, different from all current video cards" means... I suggest you read my last post a second time...

C Ya