Oh no! "leaked" NV30 Specs

[GT98]

Found this here

Must be worrying about the upcoming Matrox card

Nvidia NV30 specs


AGP 4x and 8x

Copper Core Gpu Processor 0.13 m default clock 450 MHz

73M transistors

8 Pipelines

Quad Vertex Shader

Dual Pixel Shader

Dual Z-Buffer

Advanced Anisotropic ("12nvx mode")

T&L "co-processor" (can anybody say 3dfx/Sage?)

Glide capable (this makes you wonder...)

256-bit memory interface

750 MHz DDR

Next question is how long will it that Nvishit to come out with a nastly letter about the the New M card like they did with Kyro or the deal with the Radeon 8500 and its drivers....all signs pointed to Nvidia with that deal

Scott

[TdB]

Dual Z-Buffer ?
whats that for?
some kind of dualhead support?

[Wulfman]

from http://www.within3d.net/index.php?sh...hownews&id=407

David Kirk (Nvidia Developer)

I can't share any technical details on NV30 memory architecture, but I would answer to you pointing out that a wider data bus gives more bandwith, but with a cost: a 256 bits wide architecture is very complex and expensive too. High-end boards are very expensive. Ask to customers to pay a higher price to integrate a 256 bits wide bus it's an overkill at the moment.

Looks like Haig was correct.

mfg
wulfman

[Greebe]

...with their archecture it's overkill

[TdB]

just had a thought!

IIRC the g400 was built on the g200 core but with double data width.
could the parhelia2 feature 512 bits data-width?
we never saw the full potential of the g200 core, because of the g800 failure.
if they plan to use the parhelia core for the next 3 years, then i hope they have thought of the future with this core, it will eventually compete with a lot of dx11 cards.
Or is it just the first rehashes of this core that will appear as high-end-gaming cards, and the rest as bussines-cards?

what do you think matrox will use this core for?
1 or 2 high-end cards and then bussines-cards, until next new core? or will they stay in the high-end, as long as possible.

my guess is that they tried to make yet another high-end card with the g200 core, and tried to add some dx8 features(vertex-shaders?), if we follow that thought, then it could be possible that they will try to use the parhelia-core for several high-end cards, and not just 1 or 2 high-end cards.

I wonder how the parhelia-core will compete against the nv30-core, as a foundation for future cards, for the next 3 years, nvidia tend to reuse their cores for a long time too.

[xortam]

Déjà Vu. David Kirk's comments remind of that old 3dfx rhetoric about why they weren't doing 32-bit.

[Tarrant]

I have to disagree with Xortam here. David Kirks's comments address a "price" issue and the market for ultra expensive cards not being that big. The 3dfx issue with 32-bit was them thinking that it just wasn't necessary.

[Greebe]

shoot in the TnT days of old the G200 16 bit output was better than nV 32 bit once they included it... ie stopped faking it

[Ant]

I think he will be proved quite wrong with the price issue, sure there will be some monstrously expensive products using the 256-bit bus but there will also be some that are every bit as affordable as any of their high performance options, i.e. top end GF4 products.

[xortam]

Originally posted by Tarrant
I have to disagree with Xortam here. David Kirks's comments address a "price" issue and the market for ultra expensive cards not being that big. The 3dfx issue with 32-bit was them thinking that it just wasn't necessary.

How can you disagree that I read something that reminded me of past comments? I know, you were referring to the rhetoric being the same. Somebody can dig up the 3dfx quotes but I recall that they were commenting on expense (at least R&D) and utility. I also agree with what Ant said and wouldn't be surprised to see entry level P cards coming below the price of hi-end GF4 cards.

[TdB]

Originally posted by Tarrant
I have to disagree with Xortam here. David Kirks's comments address a "price" issue and the market for ultra expensive cards not being that big. The 3dfx issue with 32-bit was them thinking that it just wasn't necessary.

do you think nvidia will leave the high-end gaming market and focus on the mainstream?

this could be a good oppertunity for matrox.

[GT98]

Originally posted by Ant
I think he will be proved quite wrong with the price issue, sure there will be some monstrously expensive products using the 256-bit bus but there will also be some that are every bit as affordable as any of their high performance options, i.e. top end GF4 products.

Oh well its time for Nvidia to eat crow these days anyway

[Wulfman]

the first card already showed up:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2023273756

mfg
wulfman

[K6-III]

Seems very fake and even the wrong color for Gainward...

[Wulfman]

Of course it's a fake - and not even a good one, but it's nevertheless funny to see people bidding for it.

mfg
wulfman