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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ssin
    piax : never listen to whatever ATI has to say, they're only a bunch of liers and I've never seen them live up to their promises. The Radeon line of product was supposed to be revolutionary.. and before that, the rage chip was what they saw as the best technological avancement... They also did promise a huge improvement in drivers.... never saw so unstable drivers in my entire life. I had a built by ATI radeon 7500 in my box once. It only lasted 5 days in it. Now the drivers wont remove even tho the cards not there anymore...
    Sorry, but I have to respond to this. I'm not an ATI fan, but I do know that they have solved their driver issue for both the 7500 and the 8500. ATI's problem is that they don't deliver their drivers quick enough when they release a new product. I mean when the 8500 was first release, it would barely compete with a standard GF3, and now it's competing with a GF4 quite well IMO. Let's hope they get it right with the R300, but then again I've said the same thing before about their past products....but one can only hope.
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    • #17
      Parhelia 1024:

      - 1024-bit GPU
      - 0.09u process
      - 512-bit DDR memory interface
      - up to 512MB DDR unified frame buffer
      - 16-bit Teracolor Technology
      - Triple intergrated RAMDACS
      - OpenGL 2.0 and DirectX 9
      - 8 pipes with quad texturing unit
      - 8 vertex and pixel shader unit
      - FAA-32x, FSAA-8x, Combination FAA-16x + FSAA-4x (polygon -> FAA-16x, others FSAA-4x)

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      • #18
        0.09u process - I guess you can dream

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        • #19
          Yeah, no shit.
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          • #20
            0.09 of this, 300MHz of that, 4.2 of another.

            Don't you's just want actual usable features?

            If you could buy a TNT2 on a 0.0001u process, would you? I just don't understand all these people caring about the insides of a chip Take Anna Kournikova for example, is she less attractive because she's got high blood pressure inside? Or because she got knocked out the ladies singles early in Wimbledon?

            3 integrated RAMDACs is on my list, and a clock boost for me.
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            • #21
              Greebe said:

              "FYI (yet again) Matrox's fab UMC will be skipping 130nm process and jumping to 90nm process as of Q2 2003"

              so that's where that tidbit came from.

              but i am still dreaming :-)

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              • #22
                I've got to agree with you Pace. I always find it funny that people want to own HW with certain implementation specifics versus features and performance. Look at the difficulty Matrox is having explaining that they have bandwidth saving technology to people that complain that they don't see occlusion culling in the specs.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by xortam
                  I've got to agree with you Pace. I always find it funny that people want to own HW with certain implementation specifics versus features and performance. Look at the difficulty Matrox is having explaining that they have bandwidth saving technology to people that complain that they don't see occlusion culling in the specs.
                  It doesn't seem to be quite as effective as whatw was inthe KYRO IIs though, does it? What I'd really like to know is at what point would AA start to become, how can I phrase this? Troublesome. AIUI, AA involes looking at what the pixels around pixel to be anti aliased are (horribly simplified). So presumably, if the number of samples you take (and hence the width of the sample) gets too large, you are going to be getting pixels you don't want (i.e. drawing something else, rather that what whatever you were anti ailiasing initially bordered on). Or am I worrying about nothing?
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                  • #24
                    I'm theorizing that at some point, at a specific resolution like 800x600 the edge can only be expressed at a certain detail level, and using a higher sample rate won't get you anything.

                    Is this a case of diminishing returns?


                    ps. the for most stuff, other than gaming, my g400 is more than adaquate. in fact i'm moving the g400 into a new boxen. i expect to see a modest increse in it when i move it from a 400mhz celeron to a 1.4ghz athlon. what more will a P give me?

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                    • #25
                      Independent triplehead with simultaneous tv-out would do it for me. I want Surround Gaming and Home Theatre both in one card.

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                      • #26
                        I've got to agree with xortam

                        maRtocx pHArahelia doeZnt eveN hAVE t&L! rOflOLoma
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                        • #27
                          What!!! No T&L????? Forget it ... I'm not going to buy that piece of ****!!!!!
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                          • #28
                            Ahh, but I hear the RSN chip will add T&A
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                            • #29
                              T&A?
                              T*ts and @ss?
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                              • #30
                                instead of parhelia 2, maybe a new revision of the Parhelia with some modifications :

                                - Higher clockspeed
                                - Maybe they can add an occlusion unit. I know they have bandwith saving stuff and all, but adding an occlusion unit would nice, if possible
                                - maybe a texture loopback (but I don't think that would be possible or would be too expensive to do it)


                                I was also wondering : in the review on digit-life they say that the memory controller isn't working very effectively.
                                So I was thinking, maybe its working like it should be , but isn't fast enough. Maybe it suffers from high latency.
                                I think that if the core speed will be increased, memory efficiency will increase too
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