Pitoo = vaporware

[cjolley]

Hell, unless Matrox has decided to bail completely on graphics cards the Pithree is at least some way down the pipeline.
chuck

[Nappe1]

Originally posted by Tempest
Maybe they rushed it out because someone had to choose between finalizing the product and being the first company with a "next gen" part.

trust me, they didn't rushed it. when coming to May, they had two choices; releasing it as it was or waiting/ fixing more and get driven over by Radeon 9700Pro. -> flushing another very long project down to toilet. (Would have most likely been their last one.)

Parhelia was late. a LOT late. I don't know why.

[GT98]

Originally posted by RichL
Well, as rumors are flying that the current Parhelia is practically beta-silicon with lots of features broken, it wouldnt suprise me too much if Matrox have the fixed version of the Parhelia waiting in the wings. Who knows, it might even be the GeForce killer we all thought the original P was going to be.

The other thing to consider is that the Parhelia has been on the drawing board for quite long time and could be quite possilbily came out later then what Matrox expected. I remember there was a big hub bub back last Fall (2001) about the next gen Part coming out then (Parhelia) but nothing materizeled and we didnt get a press release till March of this year. So it is possible that the Parhelia was supposed to come out last Fall and not this past spring. If it came out last fall I bet it would have been more readly acccepted by the media.

I'm sure that the Parhelia and the Pitoo where developed almost pararel with each other, with Matrox cutting their teeth with the Parhelia (and it shows) and figuring out what worked and what didn't and making changes to the design that would make up the Parhelia 2. The Parhelia was the first new GPU from Matrox to make it to the market in 3 years, so I would assume there would be a fairly large gap in knowelege that was learned in Developing the Parhelia. I'm personally hoping that the Parhelia 2 makes it to market in the next 6 months or less and that the Parhelia 8X with fixes to the current core is the value model.

[GT98]

Originally posted by Nappe1

Parhelia was late. a LOT late. I don't know why.

hmm lack of money and bad managment?

[GNEP]

If they have a stockpile of P chips sitting there I somehow doubt (given their track record) that they would be willing to write them down and use a new core for the 8x. Just a new board with the current chip if at all possible - perhaps they have been speed-binning them effectively, and will use the top quality bin for the 8x board.

But then I know nothing about electronics manufacture - only oil and finance

[Nappe1]

GT98: want hear my guess?

I would say that maybe "nVidia crisis" was much bigger problem than is generally known.

so I my guess is the amount of projects and amount of workforce after late 2000.

[Nappe1]

actually GNEP, right now it looks like AGP8x revision cards might have been canned. (for example, there's no more MGA-AGP8x... product numbers in RMA list. that could be because we found them, but why they didn't removed non-existant PH-... product numbers too??) And only reason for this I can come with is that 'Pitou' truly is so far that these products would be coming too closely each other.

oh well, who lives, will see...

EDIT: and GNEP, that new revision has (or should have had) new packaging as well as some other major differencies.

[GNEP]

FWIW, these are now the only P's listed on the RMA page under "Graphics":

PH-A128B
PH-A128R
PH-A256
PH-A256B
PH-A64B

And under "Video":

PH-A128B-V
PH-A128R-V

Only ones up there (aside from the video ones, which may (?) be to do with cards bundled together with RT cards?? but then I know nothing of the video world) that I'm not sure about are the 64 meg bulk one and the non-bulk (or bulk) 256 one, depending on your point of view - I have only seen details on the the 256 card clocked at bulk (=200) clock speed, but this might not be called "bulk" by matrox as it's the only 256 one so far.

Some changes from the list we saw before...

Gnep

[Nappe1]

GNEP, I am talking about these entries:

Originally posted by Damien @ http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36770
What are the entries for MGA-AGP8X-EXCTR and MGA-AGP8X-EXSAV ?


Damien.

they are gone, but
PH-A256, PH-A256B (which one of these is released 256MB card?) and PH-A64B are still there.

[GNEP]

Nappe, I know. From: http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php...5&pagenumber=6

Originally posted by GNEP
Then what about the following? I guess the first few are to do with the medical imaging kit, but there are an awful lot here that I cannot place...

MGA-P8X-MEDAN
MGA-P8X-MEDDI
MGA-P8X-MEDDK
MGA-P8X-MEDSD
MGA-P8X-MEDSD6
MGA-P8X-PTB
MGA-P8X-PTBEXT
MGA-P8X-PVI6DD
MGA-P8X-PVI8DD
MGA-P8X/PVI8DD
MGA-PAR-PVI4SP
MGA-PAR-PVL4DD
MGA-PAR/ESBC
MGA-PAR/EVV8
MGA-PAR/EVVC
MGA-PAR/EVVC8
MGA-PAR/PTB
MGA-PAR/PV4DD
MGA-PAR/PV6DD
MGA-PAR/PV8DD
MGA-PAR/PV8DH
MGA-PAR/PVC6DD
MGA-PAR/PVC6DH
MGA-PAR/PVC8DD
MGA-PAR/PVC8DH
MGA-PAR/PVCI6DD
MGA-PAR/PVCI8DD
MGA-PAR/PVI4DD
MGA-PAR/PVI4DD
MGA-PAR/PVI6DD
MGA-PAR/PVI8DD
MGA-PAR/PVI8DD
MGA-PAR/PVQ4DD
MGA-PAR/PVQ8DD
MGA-PAR/PVVIM

[thop]

i guess they will just silently replace the borked parhelia with the 8x fixed one.

[Nappe1]

Originally posted by thop
i guess they will just silently replace the borked parhelia with the 8x fixed one.

that could be possible too, except we will notice that. that's for sure. Chip packaging will reveal if it's same revision that I have been hearing of...

[GT98]

Originally posted by Nappe1
GT98: want hear my guess?

I would say that maybe "nVidia crisis" was much bigger problem than is generally known.

so I my guess is the amount of projects and amount of workforce after late 2000.

Could also explain why the G800 and Fusion never made it to market either....maybe we'll find out in another 5 years. I really would like to know why the wheels came off at Matrox after the G400 came out..I know theres a certain indivdiual that can sholder alot of the blame at whats wrong at Matrox Graphics, but it has to be something more then just one person mucking up everything.

[Amiga Blitter]

To vigilant



I'm sorry. I have nothing against you. I think that Matrox behavior is not correct...

Another question. Have you seen a prototype of the card?

Thank you

Best Regards

Ciao

Amiga Blitter

[Wombat]

If the P2 <I>just taped out</I>, then no prototypes exist, since there are no die yet. (Maybe an FPGA implementation, but that's not a prototype). Probably another couple of weeks. Likely a month or more once packaging is done.