What Parhelia II features do you want???

[SpiralDragon]

extensive OGL suport....... kind of that found on the 3dlabs wildcat VP products...... triple head plus TV out... and the option to have either rca or composit bnc out and one more obtion for component bnc out........ MATROX forget the damnd gaming arena its not worth it ,,... go for the 3d, graphics and AV workstations...

[The PIT]

Performace just behind the newer ATI cards will do me.

[bsdgeek]

Originally posted by SpiralDragon
extensive OGL suport....... kind of that found on the 3dlabs wildcat VP products...... triple head plus TV out... and the option to have either rca or composit bnc out and one more obtion for component bnc out........ MATROX forget the damnd gaming arena its not worth it ,,... go for the 3d, graphics and AV workstations...

If they were going to stay with the consumer market, it definately would be worth it. Consumers hear about the greatest graphics cards and buy from that company thinking that they are the best, even if it is a lowend model.

Saying that, I believe Parhelia II should be very scalable. It would allow them to create 4 or more product lines (Low, Mid, High, Mobile). Matrox really needs lower end/cost products. (And more OEM deals would result from it, most likely). A mobile P2 would just be plain cool. P2 should be the fastest, most feature rich product on the market, blisteringly fast like the original Millennium, the most kick-ass product I've had. It was the fastest card around for a long time.

Some things that I think would help the current Parhelia:
Occlusion culling: A big flaw, something like hyper-z or "LMA" would be helpful performance wise.
Higher clocks: Everyone knows this.
Possibly 8x2 design, would have doubled Parhelia's pixel fill rate and increased performance quite a bit (I think anyway...) The problem of lower clocks would be lessened by this design.
Die shrink: This would allow for more features, full DX9, occlusion culling.

Of course that is all saying that they would focus on the consumer, instead of more professionals (as they are leaning towards, I suppose)

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bigg
If the card can compete with the top card from the big two, both in price and features/speed, then people will consider buying it and not using triplehead for a while, so it will become more affordable, both in volume sales, and being able to justify buying it when not using three monitors. It would sell like nuts, and matrox would become suddenly part of the new "big three"

Very little chance for that to happen... well at least it seems like the management is kinda giving up the "consumer market" in MGA.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by SpiralDragon
extensive OGL suport....... kind of that found on the 3dlabs wildcat VP products...... triple head plus TV out... and the option to have either rca or composit bnc out and one more obtion for component bnc out........ MATROX forget the damnd gaming arena its not worth it ,,... go for the 3d, graphics and AV workstations...

i would really want to see 4 outputs if it's for workstation.

if matrox is aiming for DCC... they probably need Stereoscopic features.

would be nice to see different cards for different purposes from Matrox.

like one for DCC, one NLE, one MMS, one CAD, one gaming...

that would make Matrox a truly professional company.

[Pace|Work]

Originally posted by bsdgeek
If they were going to stay with the consumer market, it definately would be worth it. Consumers hear about the greatest graphics cards and buy from that company thinking that they are the best, even if it is a lowend model.

Excellent point...I cringe when I hear people are "getting a GeForce 4!!!!". What type? Ah, an MX...excellent

[DukeP]

Lol Pace.
Yes. Tried to explan to a freind, why he couldnt get "shiny water" (neverwintersnight) to work on his Geforce4MX, when the lowend machines at his school could. Well, they ran ati 9000 cards, very cheap, nice images and - directx 8.1.

He really didnt like to hear that his brand new grafix card was an old slightly overhauled geforce 2 directx 7 thingy..

~~DukeP~~

[knirfie]

1) it has to come out, soon
2) fixed banding and FAA
3) be able to play Doom 3 in 4800*1200 with 16xAF and 16xFAA (with more then 60 fps)
4) budget, mainstream, high-end and ultra-high-end versions

with this i'll be happy

[Bigg]

They should make the parhelia the low end card for NLE and other kinds of non 3d proffesional work. The one card could do it all, just like the parhelia. They need to keep triplehead,because thats the only reason that the old and slow parhelia is still the top in my mind. If it had no triplehead, I wouldn't care if it failed or lived, as it would just be another niche product. Maybe the range could vary from a slow 64 MB card to a ultra fast 256MB or 512MB card.

be able to play Doom 3 in 4800*1200 with 16xAF and 16xFAA (with more then 60 fps)

yes, that would be ideal. 4800x1200 would rock. maybe even 6144x1536 on the desktop.

[Pace]

Originally posted by knirfie
3) be able to play Doom 3 in 4800*1200 with 16xAF and 16xFAA (with more then 60 fps)
4) budget

So, does the budget version have to play D3 at these settings? What will the ultra-high-end be capable of?

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by Pace|Work
Excellent point...I cringe when I hear people are "getting a GeForce 4!!!!". What type? Ah, an MX...excellent

So true. I just faced that problem yesterday trying to explain why MX sucks.

oo yea.. i am building my friend a "value" computer SOON(TM) I think i will wait a bit and grab a GeForce FX 5200. "DX9 for $79" . When i heard that, i was like matrox is dead I mean for a card 1/5 the price has even more advanced in terms of API implantation... damn Matrox. wake up and launche ur Pitou w/ DX9++... mmuuhahhahaha

[SpiralDragon]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
i would really want to see 4 outputs if it's for workstation.

i agree .... 3 monitors and one client tv

[SpiralDragon]

Originally posted by Pace|Work
Excellent point...I cringe when I hear people are "getting a GeForce 4!!!!". What type? Ah, an MX...excellent

wow.... hapened to me so many times i lost count... especialy from people in theNLE market.. they never seem to realise the benefits of the dual head G550 over the other crapy stuff ofered by others.... some where going into the lowend DV pc and want to use AVID and they seem to theink that an all in wonder card will cut it for them better than a G550.... never i say... matrox does a better job any time at that

[Topha]

How come noone mentionen RSN? Thats one feature I want for sure


edit: imagine the nVidia fairy demo running with RSN activated

[Pace]

One wonders what marvel at Macromedia thought it a good idea to rename their whole line of products after the bottom line from NVIDIA