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  • Next Matrox card

    What we know:



    "Over a weekend, with no assistance or training at all, our engineer wrote a script that succeeded in rerouting the chip using NanoRoute Ultra. As if that weren't impressive enough, the new design ran significantly faster than the old one."

    David Chiappini
    ASIC Director, Matrox

    Matrox has after ten years dumped outdated ASIC routing technology that served them till Parhelia and invested in Nanoroute from Cadence.



    Fremont, Calif., January 9, 2004. Netsys Software Pvt. Ltd.(nSys), a solution provider for emerging standards, today announced that Matrox Graphics Inc. has signed an agreement to license nSys PCI Express nVS verification tools for use in its chip design efforts. Matrox engineers are now using PCI Express nVS product to verify the correct operation of the PCI Express interface in its chip designs. The tool helps Matrox engineers catch potential bugs during pre-silicon verification.


    Matrox has invested in PCI validating technology.



    Thread with various Haig's Pitia like answers.

    We know there will be no Molex connector.



    So we can expect die shrunk Parhelia (since it ran significantly faster) with better routing a and proabably the core will be able to transit to PCI Express as time reqires.

    If we look at Ati - the most powerful card without Molex is R9600XT. Since Parhelia clock for clock perfoms about on par with 9700 pro (note the clock difference), we can expect 9600-9700 class performance.

    New passive 3head card has also been announced. I think the card will be just P650 with 3head enabled, something like P650TH most likely. Since LX cores are designed, work well for what they're intended and fabbing is not that expensive WRT to core size I don't expect die shrink here.


    Also with Parhelia and G series, Matrox was proabably able to recoup some money to be able to invest in modern technolog. Because they proabably lacked some hi-end new ASIC developement technology during Parhelia development, this resulted in low clocks and bandings.

    What this means they're staying in the market and if they'll be able to catch up with investments and technology they'll likely make a 3D comeback, not neccessary next, but subsequent generations.
    Last edited by UtwigMU; 15 January 2004, 15:43.

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    yes, still no DX9 from matrox i am guessing.

    we may see DX10 from matrox when longhorn comes.

    I'd expect a faster DX8 card from them tho.

    I don't know how Matrox will manage DX9 anyways, because they cut a hugh chunk of their RnD team...

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    • #3
      Since December was a mill, when Parhelia rumours started emerging and generally rumours for other cards, I expect release as usual.

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      • #4
        New passive 3head card has also been announced. I think the card will be just P650 with 3head enabled, something like P650TH most likely. Since LX cores are designed, work well for what they're intended and fabbing is not that expensive WRT to core size I don't expect die shrink here.
        they already have a triplehead upgrade, for the old P650 so it could just be a new "bundle" with their existing hardware.

        BTW if matrox is serious about the professional 3d-market, it would make sense to improve the polygon-pushing power A LOT. this also means that they wont have to compete with the gaming-cards price-wice. they already have all the needed features for that market in the various parheilia-based cards, the only thing they could improve would be 3d-performance, and 3d-related features, like opengl 1.4 (or 1.5?) and dx9 compliance. I really canĀ“t see the need for yet another parhelia based card(unless they cut the chip-production cost down, to make it cheaper).

        a little question:
        is the parhelia architechture designed for scaleability(not multi gpu), so that it could be improved and new features added without too much work, just like nvidia did with their geforce-architechture, GF256-GF4-TI, I mean can they reuse the fundamental design/architechture for future generations or would they have to start from scratch?
        I know very little about hardware, but I know that, when you design software, you can design it in such a way that, that each component is flexibel and general enough to be used in your future projects. Do hardware design have a similiar tradition?
        Last edited by TdB; 15 January 2004, 17:37.
        This sig is a shameless atempt to make my post look bigger.

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        • #5
          Yes, some life in this dead forum.

          From Xbit Labs.

          Pretty much the samething as above. But with Dx9!

          Link

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          • #6
            anyone know the current state of play with 0.09 micron processes?this is what the 2004 offering was meant to be fabbed on.
            is a flower best picked in it's prime or greater withered away by time?
            Talk about a dream, try to make it real.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by borat
              anyone know the current state of play with 0.09 micron processes?this is what the 2004 offering was meant to be fabbed on.
              No idea, but ATi and nVidia want to switch to the 0.11 micron process this year.

              Source (german): http://www.hartware.de/news_35434.html

              Original source (english):
              Nvidia and ATI produce new chipsets with 0.11-micron process at TSMC According to Nvidia’s president and CEO Huang Jen-hsun, the company will produce its next-generation high-end chipsets using a 0.11-micron process. Charles Chou, Taipei; Wen-Yu Lang, DigiTimes.com Both ATI Technologies and Nvidia plan to produce new chipsets this year with a 0.11-micron process at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), according to the companies’ top executives. The CEOs declined to identify the new chipsets that will be produced at TSMC.
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              • #8
                off topic - does PCI Express provide bacwards compatibility with AGP cards ?

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                • #9
                  No. You need an pci-agp bridge (on the cards pcb). Cheers, Hannes

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                  • #10
                    Doh ! what was I thinking, should've deduced from nVidia's pci-agp bridge implementation of PCI Express for their video cards.

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                    • #11
                      And PCI bridges are notoriously evil for bandwidth and resource issues too.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
                        yes, still no DX9 from matrox i am guessing.

                        we may see DX10 from matrox when longhorn comes.

                        I'd expect a faster DX8 card from them tho.

                        I don't know how Matrox will manage DX9 anyways, because they cut a hugh chunk of their RnD team...
                        DX9 will last for about another couple of years, so I suppose even Matrox will have a full DX9 card.
                        And, there will be no DX10 shipped with Longhorn for what I know.
                        Sat on a pile of deads, I enjoy my oysters.

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                        • #13
                          who ever said longhorn would need DX10? i thought it required pixel and vertex shaders 2.0 as in DX9, well not required but they were needed to make use of the all singing all dancing GUI otherwise you would fall back to a more XP style. is that correct?
                          is a flower best picked in it's prime or greater withered away by time?
                          Talk about a dream, try to make it real.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Next Matrox card

                            Originally posted by UtwigMU
                            What we know:



                            "Over a weekend, with no assistance or training at all, our engineer wrote a script that succeeded in rerouting the chip using NanoRoute Ultra. As if that weren't impressive enough, the new design ran significantly faster than the old one."

                            David Chiappini
                            ASIC Director, Matrox

                            Matrox has after ten years dumped outdated ASIC routing technology that served them till Parhelia and invested in Nanoroute from Cadence.


                            did anybody follow that link and read a little further down the page ?

                            NanoRoute Ultra is a Win Every Sense for Matrox
                            Matrox, the leader in 3D graphics chips and related technologies, has incorporated CadenceĀ® NanoRouteā„¢ Ultra into its ASIC design flow. ...

                            pardon me ???
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                            • #15
                              ROFLMAO.

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