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  • #31
    OK. Most of us seem to have forgotten you're a total beginner. I'm also a beginner (though not totally clueless anymore).

    First of all, ignore all those fancy server- and client side languages. It is good to know that there is something like that, and what can be done with it (this forum, for example, is coded in PHP.), but you should know proper HTML before even starting to think about using server side stuff, or unneccessary (in most cases) JavaScript.

    NOTE: I really think, as do most others, you should learn from the ground up, else you will not really understand what's happening. If you only want to create beautiful layouts fast, and don't care about HTML, you need not read on. But learning HTML first, knowing that you can create a web site with any text editor, or even write it all on paper, is very satisfying.

    The proper way to learn to "make websites" is to learn the basics first, i.e., as was pointed out often, learn to code HTML in a standard text editor. It's quite easy, actually. If you know how to post URLs and Images here on the board, you'll see that HTML is basically the same.

    Then you should learn CSS, for formatting your text. A lot of this can be done in HTML, and I've learnt the HTML way first, and then had to learn CSS later, but this is impractical for several reasons:
    - HTML text formatting shouldn't be used anymore, says the W3C
    - CSS can do every formatting HTML can do, and much more!
    - CSS requires you to make your HTML code structured. This might seem annoying and pointless at first, but I've only now started to realize it's a good thing!


    Note that you will not be able to create anything visually appealing this way until you know CSS. But I've learnt doing fancy colorful stuff in HTML first, and it's not easy for me now to force myself to use CSS.

    OK.

    Here's a little example of basic HTML.

    Code:
    <html>
    <head>
    <title>3DFX learns HTML</title>
    </head>
    <body>
    <h1>This is a headline</h1>
    <p>Wow, your first paragraph in HTML! Yay!</p>
    <p>And here's the second one.</p>
    </body>
    </html>
    See? It's quite easy. You can cut and paste this into notepad and save it as a *.html file. You can then view it in your browser.

    AZ
    Last edited by az; 19 March 2003, 00:33.
    There's an Opera in my macbook.

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    • #32
      Gurm braces himself and prepares for JW to point out that there are a few missing meta tags, and that it would look a LOT better if you linked a style sheet and defined exactly what you mean by <p> and <h1>.

      Edit: Since when are HTML tags actually interpreted in messages???

      - Gurm
      Last edited by Gurm; 19 March 2003, 07:38.
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      If only life were as easy as you
      I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
      If only life were as easy as you
      I would still get screwed

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      • #33
        Actually... Az has perfectly valid HTML there. Which is what needs to be learned here, the basic structure of and syntax of a proper HTML document. The meta tags and such can be added later when they are needed. I will say that the first additional tag you will want to add is the doctype.

        This is important as it instructs the browser in how to read in and render your HTML.

        If you're going to be starting off, you might as well start off with XHTML (easier than learning HTML and then transitioning as some things become invalid), since it's just HTML with some less flexible rules.

        However, Az has some good points, and starting off with just plain (X)HTML is the best way to go. Some of the links I posted previously have information even for begginers, Nevertheless, good luck!
        Last edited by Jessterw; 19 March 2003, 06:12.
        “And, remember: there's no 'I' in 'irony'” ~ Merlin Mann

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        • #34
          Gurm, it would be a lot easier to read what you mean if you used & lt; and & gt; instead of < and > - I made the same mistake, that's why I had to edit my post

          I thought about adding comments but decided that would make it harder to read, and unneccessary complex.

          AZ
          There's an Opera in my macbook.

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          • #35
            Oh, and JW, I think your stuff is way ahead of basics. Let's not confuse him, or he will be scared away for life

            AZ
            There's an Opera in my macbook.

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            • #36
              I've had to start over entirely. I was actually a pretty accomplished hand at laying out web pages, but I soon discovered that doing modern web design is a far cry from what we called "HateMail" when it first came out.

              - Gurm
              The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents!

              I'm the least you could do
              If only life were as easy as you
              I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
              If only life were as easy as you
              I would still get screwed

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              • #37
                Yes, but JW has pointed the way. If you use those beginners tutorials, and then progress through to the more advanced ones you will be an even better web guru

                If you learn HTML then head down the wrong path...you will be bad!

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                • #38
                  Yeah - I did my first, VERY dilitantic (sp?) website in '98, which isn't so long ago, but it was still very different from when i now try and make dilitantic websites. I have to say that this is just kind of a hobby for me (which I don't pursue very actively, so I'm still a major n00b and I think I thus understand a newbie's needs), I've learnt it all thru selfHTML, and never ever used anything other than notepad or textpad.

                  Oh, and I actually like that we can now use HTML here. Someone shoulda told us, though

                  AZ
                  There's an Opera in my macbook.

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                  • #39
                    Pace, what do you think would be the right and the wrong way(s)?

                    AZ
                    There's an Opera in my macbook.

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                    • #40
                      Whether you choose to make accessible websites which don't rely on plugins, and those that require Flash and other plugins, that use JavaScript largely to annoy the end user...and other crap like that

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                      • #41
                        I really don't think learning XHTML and CSS are beyond the basics per se, as they are the foundation of emerging web design trends (and should have been all along, albeit with HTML). Yes, learning advanced CSS is troubling for even seasoned designers (with some of the "hacks" IE requires it can be a major pain), however by learning the XHTML syntax (just as easy as basic HTML) and some basic CSS, someone would be well along their way.

                        There is really no reason not to learn these from the start. Though I will say that learning pure XHTML is essential, so it should be mastered, at least somewhat, before progressing to CSS. The only problem here is the fact that most people will want to make "pretty" pages, and thus resort to presentational elements inside the (X)HTML, when they could have done so using CSS (the proper way).

                        Additionally, Flash and Javascript can be effective web design tools, but only when used sparingly and for a specific purpose.
                        “And, remember: there's no 'I' in 'irony'” ~ Merlin Mann

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                        • #42
                          Intros!

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                          • #43
                            Guys,
                            I just want to say thanks guys as this has really helped me on my way to making websites ..hehe

                            I'm so excited

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                            • #44
                              Glad we could help. Remember, simple is key to start with. As someone mentioned earlier, taking a look at some of the weblogs to get ideas is a good start.

                              If you want to see what not to do when designing a web page (from the code standpoint), look no further than Microsoft.com

                              Have fun.
                              “And, remember: there's no 'I' in 'irony'” ~ Merlin Mann

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