The France/Syria/China Connection.....

[SpiralDragon]

Originally posted by Pace

There's a thought...how long do you think a thread would last where you are only allowed to post negatively about your own country,

i wouldnt mind doing that... i actualy .. genuanly hate lebanon

[Sasq]

Doc, just to clear things up, and I'm not wadeing into this thread either way.

The Japanese Govt is behind the U.S.
The Japanese people are not. But then again the Japanese Govt, hasn't listend to the Japanese people for about 55 years. but thats another thread.

[Dr Mordrid]

Sure....I'll start by stating emphatically that the US has spent too much time waiting for the UN to get a pair

Dr. Mordrid

[SpiralDragon]

alright being a person who is involved with the media i got to ask this question..... wht is wrong with the fox news people ... am i the only one who thinks they lack objectivity (and thuse weive the title of news reporters) or am i just dreaming.... jesus.... i thought CNN was bad... but fox news makes CNN look like honest people.... and honest people are rare to find in any media not just the US.... you should see our media... lol....

[Dr Mordrid]

As noted in the other thread where you brought this up;

Just who on Fox are you talking about?

If it's Bill Oreilly or Sean Hannity & morning show then you're talking about conservative analysts, who would be expected to take a position. Countering them Fox offers Greta van Susteren (middle road to liberal & former CNN host) and Alan Colmes (strongly liberal).

I actually find their hard news people quite balanced, often bringing in people from both sides & pressing both to defend their positions. That alone is a refreshing change from CNN's "all liberal, all the time" approach.

Dr. Mordrid

[SpiralDragon]

sory about the duble post... i deleated the other one...

i wouldnt call fox news fairly balananced when they cut off speakers who are not like minded.... and then there is the morning show i think!!! when they where talking about he MOAB... it sounded more like an advert to sell the thing.... reminded me so mouch of a communist state controled TV station... you know when they become overzealous about a certain achivment like say for instance the creation of a long range balistic misile......

oh and how they where making fun of blair and the british parlament just after Blair anounced he was backing out..... the media is a window to its people ... if the media is making fun of blair and the french then no wonder why the majority of americans feel that they are alone on this...

[Dr Mordrid]

So them talking about, or even advocating, a device intended to convince the enemy to give up after killing a few spectacularly instead of killing all of 'em outright is a bad thing?

I haven't seen much criticizing Blair on Fox, save for some questioning comments about his latest attempt to get the willy-nillies on the Security Council off the mark. On that I think they were off the mark since I doubt it would have been brought up without consultation with Spain and the US.

99.9% of the time they praise Blair to the skies for being a leader who acts like he has a pair.

Dr. Mordrid

[Admiral]

originally posted by Joel
We should have some way of finally paying ourselves back for all we have done throughout the world all these many years including the liberation of France during and the rebuilding of Europe after WWII.

And you have, you have payed yourselves back for the last 50 years by printing money without any real backup but the fist in the mouth of whomever dears challenge you.
The current amount of dollars flooding the world don't even begin to be covered by your GDP.
So instead of trying to complex people about how you gave and should receive unquestionable support now, you should sit back and think for a moment that you've been living on public debt for half a century.
It also makes you raise an eybrow thinking that the moment countries like Iraq, Iran and North Korea decide to flunk the dollar and trade in euros they're branded as an Axis of Evil.

[SpiralDragon]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
So them talking about, or even advocating, a device intended to convince the enemy to give up after killing a few spectacularly instead of killing all of 'em outright is a bad thing?

its not so much talikng about at as the way they where doing it... i found it very unethical.... they sounded very hapy and extatic about the amount of damage and human casualties the MOAB can do

[Dr Mordrid]

The current amount of dollars flooding the world don't even begin to be covered by your GDP.

The latest published figures I can find show the US GDP for 2001 was over 10 trillion USD, about 1/3 of the world total of $30 trillion USD.

The US foreign aid/grant expenses for 2001 were a tiny percentage of that total; about $20 billion USD out of a US govt. budget of over $1.8 trillion USD.

Whatever foreign aid we give out, even if increases are necessary to get some people "in line", are proportionally a fart in a hurricane.

As for MOAB:

I agree with their enthusiasm. If it doesn't scare the bejesus out of the enemy, thereby encouraging their surrender without a shot, it'll kill 'em in bunches.

Either way; if that saves the lives of some US soldiers then happy I am, as are they.

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

However, had the US not helped out, they probably would have been worse off economically - a Europe run by Hitler would have been a superpower at the time, especially had he conquered Britain.

I very much doubt that. Had Hitler conquered Britain and then gone after the Soviet Union, with the U.S. not involved, it might possibly have become a huge stalemate and half of Europe would have died in the endless bloody conflict, especially if Germany had middle eastern oil at its disposal. As long and horrible as the war was, it could have been worse.

Why are we getting into this again? I am an American, but certainly feel no ill-will towards Europeans. I don't think Europeans really feel ill-will towards Americans, either. This is really rather silly and mundane, like a brother and sister arguing over the bathroom or something. Everyone needs to get a bit more circumspect and see the other side's point of view here.

[SpiralDragon]

ok let me out it this way... the so called "terorists" have ben employing the same method but that still has not changed US policies and Israili tactics..... a change that most probably might have avoided this whole ordeal.... so my question is this ... that fine line between what the US is trying to do the terorists is quckly fading away.... the US is no difrent from the very people it wishes to make war up on....

please understand that this is marly an observasion and it is not intended to offend any one... but if it does than i apologise...

[Admiral]

The latest published figures I can find show the US GDP for 2001 was over 10 trillion USD, about 1/3 of the world total of $30 trillion USD.

And the dollar accounts for about 2/3 of world monetary mass.
Doesn't that spell global inflation at a certain point ?
As long as you can keep those excess dollars out of the US you should be fine, though many countries are begining to trade in euros now, seen as a danger to that unstable balance.

[thop]

I fully agree with KvH, especially since i disagreed on what he said more often than not

[Dr Mordrid]

Difference:

They acted agressively. We are being reactive to their attacks, which we have every right to do.

Once you're in a fight to the death, which this is judging by 3,000 deaths in NYC alone, there are generally no rules. Fighting as if there were is generally suicidal. We figured that out the hard way after many years of complacency and "it can't happen here" attitudes.

The question is do other countries leaders need their cities burned and/or citizens killed before doing likewise, even if it's counter to their past economic plans, or will they continue to act like ostriches?

This is one of those issues where there really is a black & white, but you have to take off those rose-colored glasses to see it. Unfortunately far too many have several pairs.

Dr. Mordrid