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  • #16
    I would have just posted a link, but the site requires registration.

    New York Times - September 23, 2003
    California Moves to Ban Unsolicited E-Mail
    By SAUL HANSELL

    California is trying a deceptively simple approach to the problem of junk e-mail: It is about to ban spam.

    Gov. Gray Davis of California signed a bill today that outlaws sending most commercial e-mail to or from the state that the recipient did not explicitly request. That is a far more wide-reaching law than any of the 35 other state laws meant to regulate spam or any of the proposed bills in Congress.

    ``We are saying that unsolicited e-mail cannot be sent and there are no loopholes,'' said Kevin Murray, the Democratic state senator from Los Angeles who sponsored the bill.

    The law would fine spammers $1,000 for each unsolicited message sent up to $1 million for each campaign.

    As the nation's most populous state and the home to many large Internet companies, the California bill could well have a significant effect on spam. The bill puts the burden on the sender to determine if the recipient resides in California.

    The marketing industry vehemently opposes the law, saying that it will only restrict actions by legitimate marketers and not the rouges who send the most offensive spam.

    The burden of complying with the state law, moreover, could well affect nearly all e-mail marketing.

    ``California represents up to 20 percent of the e-mail that is sent or received,'' said J. Trevor Hughes, the executive director, of the Network Advertising Initiative, a group of technology companies that send e-mail for marketers. ``Instead of trying to segregate the California e-mail addresses, many of our members are going to make the California standard the lowest common denominator.

    Thirty-five states have already passed laws meant to regulate spam. But mostly these ban deceptive practices in commercial e-mail - like fake return addresses - and many require that spam be identified with the phrase ``ADV'' in the subject. But these laws do nothing to stop someone from sending advertising by e-mail, so long as it was properly labeled and not deceptive.

    Delaware, also, banned sending unsolicited e-mail in 1999. But that law can only be enforced by the state attorney general, who has not taken any action under the statute.

    Action under the California law, by contrast, can be brought by the state, by e-mail providers that have to handle spam and by the recipient. The bill's proponents say the right of individuals to file lawsuits should ensure that the bill is enforced, even if state prosecutors have other priorities. Indeed, a similar provision is credited with helping to insure compliance with the federal law against unsolicited faxes.

    But at a news conference today, Kathleen Hamilton, the director of California Department of Consumer Affairs, promised that the state was ready to enforce the new law when it takes effect on Jan. 1.

    ``There will be a focus to make sure that once this law is in effect that advertisers abide by it so consumers and businesses are free from unsolicited spam,'' she said.

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    • #17
      I'll forward all my spam to the UK.
      --Insert something here--

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      • #18
        Originally posted by paulcs
        Gov. Gray Davis of California signed a bill today that outlaws sending most commercial e-mail to or from the state that the recipient did not explicitly request.
        IMHO, this will do nothing to stem the tide. King Canute was probably more effective that the ex-Governor-to-be.

        Let's imagine that a Korean company spams thousand of Californian residents. What can be done about it? Nothing! Nothing, at all! Why? There is a rigid legal procedure to charge a foreign person (individual or company) with a felony or misdemeanour. In the case of a misdemeanour, it is unlikely that it would even be considered. In the case of a felony, international agreements are bilateral and it means that the crime is a felony in both states (i.e., the USA and Korea, in my example) before an action could be undertaken. As it is not a felony according to US federal law, it would not even get off the starting blocks (California cannot sign bilateral agreements, only the USA). Now, let us assume that Washington does sign such an agreement and that spamming is classed as a felony in both countries (unlikely), then whom will the Korean Department of Justice charge with the crime? The "felon" has got to be traced first. I can just imagine the DoJ hiring hundreds of IT experts whose sole job is trying to trace the origin of all the spams that originate in Korea and get sent to a California address, can't you? If, by some miracle, Korea does spend billions bringing such "criminals" to justice and throwing them into clink, then the spammers will just move to Outer Mongolia, Upper Volta or Tristan da Cunha, which don't have felony laws for spam or bilateral agreements with the USA.

        I'll sum it up in two words: BLOODY RIDICULOUS
        Brian (the devil incarnate)

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        • #19
          All you have to do is trace the money trail to a Californian. News flash: American spammers use Korean servers.
          Gigabyte P35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB Kingston HyperX (after *3* bad pairs of Crucial Ballistix 1066), Galaxy 8800GT 512MB, SB X-Fi, some drives, and a Dell 2005fpw. Running WinXP.

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          • #20
            Of course, I forgot to mention the cost of extradition procedures! Maybe they'll get Interpol onto it, as well.

            Wombat: you assume that the money trail ends up in CA. What if it ends in another country or state?
            Brian (the devil incarnate)

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            • #21
              Exactly.
              But you still need to be able to convict someone for a felony outside your jurisdiction...
              Once you are able to do that, problems will start:
              1. people go to the far east to try different drugs.
              2. Marijuana is legal in the netherlands.
              3. Legal age in Hawaii is 14...
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              "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."

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              • #22
                it all comes down to the fact that the only thing that actually DO have an affect IS isp filtering of mail!
                making it ilegal don't really seem to work
                If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

                Jeremy Clarkson "806 brake horsepower..and that on that limp wrist faerie liquid the Americans call petrol, if you run it on the more explosive jungle juice we have in Europe you'd be getting 850 brake horsepower..."

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                • #23
                  No, but makeing spammers legally Deer instead of human, then opening hunting season with a bounty would.
                  Juu nin to iro


                  English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                  • #24
                    ROFL

                    Just say that the limit is 2 and the hunting season just closed
                    If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

                    Jeremy Clarkson "806 brake horsepower..and that on that limp wrist faerie liquid the Americans call petrol, if you run it on the more explosive jungle juice we have in Europe you'd be getting 850 brake horsepower..."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Brian Ellis
                      Of course, I forgot to mention the cost of extradition procedures! Maybe they'll get Interpol onto it, as well.

                      Wombat: you assume that the money trail ends up in CA. What if it ends in another country or state?
                      First, it's got to end up in America sometime. You don't market to Americans without having some money transfer in the states, somebody has to collect the money.

                      Also, California has an economy larger than most nations, it's likely that a number of the corporations will be there. Also, I expect other states to pass such laws, especially since CA isn't the first.
                      Gigabyte P35-DS3L with a Q6600, 2GB Kingston HyperX (after *3* bad pairs of Crucial Ballistix 1066), Galaxy 8800GT 512MB, SB X-Fi, some drives, and a Dell 2005fpw. Running WinXP.

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