I can't believe the Catholic church is this stupid

[Admiral]

The Orthodox way makes a lot of sense in principle, yet more and more people today see priesthood as job if you will. There's lots of money to be made of being a priest, they charge you for most services (from weddings to funerals) and the sums are not quite modest. Like every institution in this country nowadays, the Church also got corrupted.
Maybe I should pack and move to Canada, meet up with Zokes, Spiral and all the others

[The PIT]

Temp Forum.

A lot of religons have problems.

Also calling someone a nazi has sadly come a way of copping out from an argument. I can't see who you refering to RedRed. And you're one person who once said Isreal should basically move.. You then retracted the statement via editing when nearly everyone said where the hell should they go.

No one called you a Nazi for suggesting it.

Child molesting is common amongst quiet a few religons as well. It's certainly a problem amongst the Muslim religon as well as the Christian and no doubt others.

Ritual abuse now you're talking out of your backside RedRed. It's common practise amongst none jewish groups three of my brother in laws have had the operation done. As far as I'm aware they're not claiming from there doctors.

As far as I'm concerned you can get rid of religon anyday.

[RedRed]

Sorry you feel that way pit, however, I did quote EXACTLY the context to which I referred - and I stand by it. RELIGIOUS intollerence needs to be stamped on from WHATEVER place it comes - even if it comes from Grum. You might believe that all formal religion be destroyed - fair enough - HOWEVER you must still respect the faith of others irrespectively. To be abusive is just plain wrong.


I did remove an earlier post - at least a year ago - as it was made off the cuff and would be mis-interpreted and percieved as offensive.



In referring to the bris I was mearly pointing out that for a religion to demand such an action is, in my opinion wrong. The argument goes as follows...

if you believe in god....
1 god made you in his image
2 he gave you a bit of skin on your chopper
3 your RELIGION has no right to demand it chopped off....

In a nutshell.
Now, medical or hygine reasons are fair enough. Religion is not.

RedRed

[The PIT]

I do respect other faiths sadly although this is unpc to say the respect in some cases isn't returned.

I am a Christian although left to my choice I wouldn't belong to any. So I'm a double sinner in some eyes.

I've also noticed that lots of people confuse religon with race and this mishapen view is increasing.

RedRed have you considered that Jewish chopping "bits of the chopper" may have been added becuase of medical reasons over the centuries.

[Gurm]

Actually far weirder things are done in the name of religion.

And 90% of what Jews regard as "tradition" because of "pact with God" turns out to be medically sound advice.

Don't eat shellfish or pork - good idea back when cooking wasn't adequate.

Circumsize - STILL a good idea, and back then lots of kids died from juvenile UTI. Lots still do in Europe.

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I simply think that as a whole, the "Catholic Church" is an evil entity. There is no such central evil entity in Judaism, nor in Islam (although one could argue that if a majority of Muftis believe in "kill the infidels", that kind of counts).

And last time I checked, in the past 4000 years, no Jews have ever organized the mass slaughter of other religions. Not since Joshua led the forces of the Israelites into Canaan has there been any such movement, and even then it was conquest not genocide - they were in fact required to intermarry with the Canaanites.

You don't want me making an in-depth list of the evils of the Holy Roman Church. They've spent a thousand years profiting from the misery of others, especially Jews and the ignorant. There is NO way to justify that, period.

You can claim that there is an indivisible trinity if you like. Although I'd LOVE for you to find me a passage anywhere in the Bible (King James, original Greek, or New International, whichever you prefer) that says anything about priests, cardinals, bishops, or popes. The fact that the Catholics bizarrely (and mistakenly) believe that James (brother o' Jesus) was the "first pope" is pure oral tradition, and utter hogwash. James was a Jew, he was a Rabbi. The fact that he came to believe that his brother was a divine entity notwithstanding, he kept the sabbath (every Saturday), celebrated Passover, Yom Kippur, and Rosh Hashannah, and boned his wife like crazy.

And it's well-established fact that the Roman Catholic Church was on a downhill slope some 800 years ago, when they were basically bribed by the existing governments to help reign in the masses.

I know more about your so-called "religion" than you do, so PLEASE don't lecture me about it. I am WELL aware of the makeup of the evil entity known as "Catholicism", and I'm well justified in calling for its downfall.

- Gurm

[The PIT]

Funny thing about religon.

My mother was really upset I was reading the Korean. Most of it is very peaceful until you get that bit about kill the none believers.
You certainly detect anger throughout that passage.

After you get past that anger it goes back to being very peaceful.

The anger probably comes from when Mohammad approached Christians asking for help.

[mutz]

Hmmm, as I recall, Judaeism separates religion and practices between the Torah and the Talmud. Bris and Milchmesser are in one and Moses in the other. Spiritual on one hand, material common sense and experience on the other. Of course it's a power trip to give religious significance to simple practice.

I used to work and hang out with James Roosevelt one of FDR's sons. He used to have an annoying tick of chewing on his tongue between words, and another one of plugging the au-pair girl when his wife was off doing charity work. One afternoon his wife came home and caught him at it. She calmly walked down in the foyer, picked up a WWI souvenir German bayonet, chased him all over the garden and plugged him in the chest and out the back. In the hospital we asked why he couldn't stop her. He said "I tried, I tried! I kept shouting 'Martha! Martha! Nicht mit dem Milchmesser!', but she just wouldn't listen."

Mahatma Ghandi was a pedophile too...

[Technoid]

[Gurm]

Actually, I think Ghandi just liked to drink the urine of young boys. But I might be misinformed on that.

- Gurm

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Gurm
Actually, I think Ghandi just liked to drink the urine of young boys. But I might be misinformed on that.

- Gurm

But he got mainly what he wanted didn't he.

[mutz]

No, the urine is something else Ayurvedic. He was definitely a pedophile. One of his nurses and an aunt or sister pimped for him. Naturally you won't find this on billboards or in books, but the local villagers knew well to keep their children away from his Ashram. He was a tiny guy and grown women frightened him. Though he was supposedly celibate, he was really just another hypocrite.

[GuchiGuh]

religion is a crutch for people who can't handel reality.

[mutz]

...careful there Guchi. Lots of people need a crutch sometime, and some need it all the time. You can't just dismiss people's needs. It can even be their link to reality in this often unreal world.

On the other hand, you can't possibly separate spirituality and reality. Spirit, soul and body. Without the spirit you are dead whether you pushing up daisies or not. Ever look out over the ocean, lost in time and space, free and graced to be alive? Looked into the eyes of a beautiful woman, someone you love, a laughing child and feel that unfathomable joy for no reason at all? Ever feel lost, sad and alone, the inner peace after the tears have trickled down, you feel washed, it's ok, whatever it was? Ever feel life and everything in it is just some unbelievable kind of miracle?

Is that real?

Does it make any difference whatsoever what it is called?

[The PIT]

Guchi is right it's mainly a prop to explain the unexplainable. Sadly it's also come a tool for evil.

[TransformX]

Ok, next time I rape a nun, it'll be without a condom.

I wonder what does it mean for priests who are too 'fond' of little boys. Or rather what it would mean to the poor little boys.