The odious stench of TIME magazine

[KvHagedorn]

The cross is a Christian symbol, not a Klan symbol. That the rag in question associated it as such was what offended me so greatly. So now I'm a Klan apologist, and all this other crap? Victorian, you are very lucky you did not say these things to my face. Actually, I doubt you would have the balls to.

By the way, you don't have any room to call anyone stupid. You are the very image of the liberal who thinks with his emotions, and have proven so by your statements. Nothing you are saying has anything to do with reality.. it is just a product of your overheated emotions. The light is on.. why don't you scurry back into the wall?

[Brian Ellis]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
The cross is a Christian symbol, not a Klan symbol. That the rag in question associated it as such was what offended me so greatly. So now I'm a Klan apologist, and all this other crap? Victorian, you are very lucky you did not say these things to my face. Actually, I doubt you would have the balls to.

By the way, you don't have any room to call anyone stupid. You are the very image of the liberal who thinks with his emotions, and have proven so by your statements. Nothing you are saying has anything to do with reality.. it is just a product of your overheated emotions. The light is on.. why don't you scurry back into the wall?

Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
St Matthew ch. 7, v. 3

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by Brian Ellis
Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
St Matthew ch. 7, v. 3

Damn that St Matthew is hard to understand with his thee thy thow's!

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by KRSESQ
I'd sure like to know what you're smoking. There is no way I'd ever describe the KKK's agenda as anything even remotely resembling what any intelligent person would call "Christian."

The KKK preaches a perverted abomination that has very little (if anything) to do with Christ's true teachings. Whatever polish they put on it these days, it still boils down to the fact that the Klan is just a bunch of empty-headed violent redneck losers.

I'll thank you never to refer to them as "Christian" again.

Kevin

I didn't refer to them as Christian. They identify themselves as such, but that doesn't mean they live by the tenets of Christianity. There have been a lot of barbarous people throughout history that thought of themselves as pro-Christian, but the crusaders, the Spanish inquisitors, and the people who burned "witches" and "heretics," no matter how misguided their actions were, believed in their own twisted way that they were defending their faith. The cross of Christ does not deserve to suffer infamy because of its use by the KKK any more than it does because of these individuals.

The people who erected that cross thought they were defending their faith, and they weren't perpetrating any violence to make that statement. The thing that angered me was that TIME and the brainwashed, mindless liberals who tore it down chose, for the sake of sensationalism and their own hatred, to associate the cross in question with the KKK rather than with Christ. It was not the Klan that defamed Christianity on that particular day.

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Brian Ellis
Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother?s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
St Matthew ch. 7, v. 3

And you claim to be the only non-PITA here..

That you said this to me and not him just reveals your own particular bias.

[Umfriend]

I haven't read the article in question, but KvH, you did say that it was KKK people that put that cross there. Indeed, I'd view a cross put anywhere by the KKK diferently than another one just like it by other people. I assume the non-KKK christian community over there didn't mind the menorah?

Don't know why a menorah would have to be set there either mind you.

[Umfriend]

In fact, any decent christian (by my own non-existent definition) should be outrageously upset at the KKK for misappropriation of their symbol (which is what I think is happening here with some). National-socialists have "stolen" symbols repeatedly in history and it is for them to be taken back. You seem to be defending the placing of such a stolen symbol by the KKK, hence you get accused of being a KKK apologist. The fact that you deem their cross equal to your own could support such a sucpicion.

Having said that, I still don't know why a menorah was allowed there (can anyone tell me?)

BTW, what's this BS about burning crosses anyway, what's the symbolism behind it? To me, it seems to make more sense to use it for heating or something....

[Jammrock]

*sigh*

Here we go again.

The KKK does claim to be a christian group. So did the pilgrams that burned the 'witched' in Salem, Mass. So did the Crusaders. And so and so forth.

However, in the name of 'freeing the world of religion's bonds' (i.e. the Communist movement), more people have been massacred in less than 100 years than all the 'so-called-christian' groups have killed in 2000 years.

In fact, no group has clean hands. Buddists, Hindus, Muslims, Atheists, super powers, 3rd world nobodies ... all large groups are guilty of some crime or an other, and all in the name of their 'righteous cause'.

What does this teach us? People are like cattle. Harmless by themselves, but dangerous as hell in large groups when some screaming lunatic stampedes them.

Jammrock

[Brian Ellis]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn

That you said this to me and not him just reveals your own particular bias.

Unlike some I can name, I try to be as open-minded and bias-free as possible. However, you do piss me off when you step beyond the norms of common decency with your rants.

[Gurm]

Jamm,

I'd like to point out that in recent recorded history (past several thousand years), Jews haven't committed genocide against anyone.

- Gurm

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Brian Ellis
Unlike some I can name, I try to be as open-minded and bias-free as possible. However, you do piss me off when you step beyond the norms of common decency with your rants.

I do apologize for stepping beyond the norms of common decency in that other time and place we are both aware of.. Truly, I am as guilty as others of letting emotion get the best of me sometimes. If I twisted and amplified what you were saying on that occasion even remotely as much as Victorian twisted what I was saying here, I'm very sorry.

[Jammrock]

Originally posted by Gurm
Jamm,

I'd like to point out that in recent recorded history (past several thousand years), Jews haven't committed genocide against anyone.

- Gurm

Not for a lack of trying though But I guess you could call it 'self defense' ... most of the time.

Jammrock

[Joel]

In fact, any decent christian (by my own non-existent definition) should be outrageously upset at the KKK for misappropriation of their symbol (which is what I think is happening here with some). National-socialists have "stolen" symbols repeatedly in history and it is for them to be taken back.

Yeah!!! The Confederate Flag is another one of those victims.

Joel

[Brian R.]

Joel is right on the money. A Confederate battle flag has seen more hate because of the use it has been put to, post-war, than any other flag I can name. By itself with no modern connotations, it is a truly valiant flag.

[Joel]

Now they are increasingly haters of white people, Christianity, and western civilization in general.

Alot of that has to do with the fact that those groups are increasingly being seen as groups majoraly comprised of racist. But the fact is that anyone who subscribes to this view is in fact a racist themselves.

Joel