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  • Speaking of The Lord Of The Rings...

    Was browsing the $7.50 DVD bin at Walmart yesterday and found a copy of the Ralph Bakshi version of LOTR. Since I hadn't seen it since its theatrical release in 1978, I succumbed to impulse and bought it.

    Just finished watching it and OMFG that was bad! Much worse than I remembered.

    As you probably know, virtually the entire movie was rotoscoped. Live actors were filmed and then animated over. The resulting animated characters' motions are very realistic. Almost TOO realistic. We're used to animated characters' movements being very stylized, idealized. Seeing cartoons moving so realistically seems somehow "wrong" (although rotoscoping has been used in the past to excellent effect, the application has been necessarily limited).

    I can't remember ever seeing another animated film so astonishingly devoid of visual imagination. One or two scenes were very similar in execution to the Peter Jackson production (most notibly the scene on the road, with the Hobbits hiding from the Ring Wraith), and a few scenes had interesting backgrounds. Otherwise there was virtually nothing memorable in the art direction.

    The movie was so lacking in emotional nuance that it may well have been produced by a bunch of Vulcans. By the end of the movie I didn't care whether Helm's Deep survived the Ork attack or whether Frodo reached Mount Doom or whether any of the other characters lived or died.

    The only truely interesting character in the film was Gollum, who again bore a striking resemblance to the character in the Peter Jackson production. A few extra seconds were spent at the beginning to show how he came to posess the ring and why he kept referring to it as his "birthday present." But even that wasn't enough to make me care.

    I encourage you all to check your local Walmart's budget DVD bin and add this movie to your collection. Put it on your shelf next to "Hercules In New York" and "Monkeybone" and those others you never watch because it's just too painful!

    And stay tuned for updates on the long-rumored DVD release of Ralph Bakshi's far-superior "Wizards."

    Kevin

  • #2
    ROFL
    If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

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    • #3
      Hey, what was wrong with Monkeybone?

      - Gurm
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      • #4
        Oh, and you failed to mention that the Bakshi LOTR went SO far over budget that they stopped him partway through The Two Towers, and handed the entire production over to Rankin & Bass - who proceeded to make an even MORE horrible 'Return of the King'.

        ... Ahem ...

        FRODO, of the NINE... FINGERS
        And the RING OF DOOM!
        oooh
        FRODO, of the NINE... FINGERS
        And the RING... OF... DOOM!
        ooooh
        Why does he have NINE FINGERS?
        Where is... the ring... of DOOOOOOOOM?!?!?!?

        "Tell us again, Frodo! Tell us about the ring of doom!"

        ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

        - Gurm
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gurm

          ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

          - Gurm
          I guess that means you didn't like the animated version of The Hobbit?

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          • #6
            Oh, and you failed to mention that the Bakshi LOTR went SO far over budget that they stopped him partway through The Two Towers, and handed the entire production over to Rankin & Bass - who proceeded to make an even MORE horrible 'Return of the King'.
            Hey, that one was in the bin, too! I may have to pick it up just to see how it ends.

            Kevin

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            • #7
              BTW Rankin/Bass blows chunks.

              Kevin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gurm
                Oh, and you failed to mention that the Bakshi LOTR went SO far over budget that they stopped him partway through The Two Towers, and handed the entire production over to Rankin & Bass - who proceeded to make an even MORE horrible 'Return of the King'.

                ... Ahem ...

                FRODO, of the NINE... FINGERS
                And the RING OF DOOM!
                oooh
                FRODO, of the NINE... FINGERS
                And the RING... OF... DOOM!
                ooooh
                Why does he have NINE FINGERS?
                Where is... the ring... of DOOOOOOOOM?!?!?!?

                "Tell us again, Frodo! Tell us about the ring of doom!"

                ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

                - Gurm
                ROFLMAO

                I got the Bakshi film too.. it wasn't really that horrible, but yes, ROTK by Rankin-Bass sucked big time.

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                • #9
                  No, actually Rankin/Bass's Hobbit was pretty completely on target, although they of course left some stuff out.

                  And the elves were hideously deformed ugly things. I never did get that. In fact, EVERYONE in it was pretty much hideously deformed.

                  Maybe Rankin only knew how to sculpt clay, and just drew like he was on crack.

                  - Gurm
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                  • #10
                    Everquest Goblins:


                    The Hobbit "elf":


                    I think those elves are really just goblins in disguise!

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                    • #11
                      Okay, that elf's just weird! Reminds me of one of my Junior high school history teachers.

                      Incidently, I just pulled "Monkeybone" out of my ass (yikes!). I knew no matter what movie I named, someone would protest (although in retrospect a better choice might have been "Conan The Destroyer" or "Beastmaster III").

                      I remember seeing the Rankin/Bass "Hobbit" on tv years ago. IIRC it was stupifyingly plodding (but reasonably faithful, although they made Gollum look like a giant frog...but that's no worse than what I made him look like for our high school production).

                      Kevin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gurm
                        Oh, and you failed to mention that the Bakshi LOTR went SO far over budget that they stopped him partway through The Two Towers, and handed the entire production over to Rankin & Bass - who proceeded to make an even MORE horrible 'Return of the King'.

                        ... Ahem ...

                        FRODO, of the NINE... FINGERS
                        And the RING OF DOOM!
                        oooh
                        FRODO, of the NINE... FINGERS
                        And the RING... OF... DOOM!
                        ooooh
                        Why does he have NINE FINGERS?
                        Where is... the ring... of DOOOOOOOOM?!?!?!?

                        "Tell us again, Frodo! Tell us about the ring of doom!"

                        ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

                        - Gurm
                        Interesting, never knew that there ACTUALLY was a second part to that movie
                        If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

                        Jeremy Clarkson "806 brake horsepower..and that on that limp wrist faerie liquid the Americans call petrol, if you run it on the more explosive jungle juice we have in Europe you'd be getting 850 brake horsepower..."

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                        • #13
                          It was terrible. Picture the Rankin/Bass Hobbit. Now try to make it as serious as LOTR... but the characters are just as ugly/stupid looking.

                          - Gurm
                          The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents!

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                          If only life were as easy as you
                          I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
                          If only life were as easy as you
                          I would still get screwed

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                          • #14
                            I agree, the Return of the King cartoon sucked MonkeyBone. It was pretty poor. The Hobbit wasn't bad, but the artwork was definitely odd.

                            Unfortunately Peter Jackson modelled a lot after the Lord of the Rings cartoon. For instance, both of them only mention Bill the donkey before they enter Moria, but never before. Both of the eliminated Tom Bombadil (which I don't mind too much, but they cut out the Barrow Wights as well, and that is kind of important, since that's where the hobbits get their swords (one of which was created for the sole purpose of killing the Witch King.))

                            Peter Jackson himself has stated as much, that he copied a lot from the cartoons. (why he pulled a short mention of the Aragorn/Arwen relationship out of the appendices and made it into a major part of the Two Towers and Fellowship is beyond me... He could have cut that crap out and ended the movie where the book ends... where Frodo is 'dead' by Shelob...)

                            Leech
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                            • #15
                              Yeah well Leech, he's beyond understanding. In some ways he's supremely respectful of the text, and in other ways he butchers it beyond belief. *shrug*

                              - Gurm
                              The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents!

                              I'm the least you could do
                              If only life were as easy as you
                              I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
                              If only life were as easy as you
                              I would still get screwed

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