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    Copyright Board of Canada OKs P2P downloading...for now
    Posted 12/13/2003 @ 12:40 AM, by Fred "zAmboni" Locklear
    Unlike the United States, recording industry lobbyists have, so far, failed in their efforts to get DMCA-like legislation enacted by Canadian lawmakers. Instead of ramming such legislation through, the Copyright Board of Canada decided to impose levies on recordable media to compensate musicians and songwriters for lost revenue from personal copying. This fee is paid no matter the ultimate use of the media. Many would argue such levies basically gives the OK to consumers to copy freely, and would allow them to download copyrighted music at their whim. Others would argue the levies are a form of double taxation for people who pay for the music and then have to pay again when buying recordable media to create backups or CD mixes. Of course, the recording industry would say the levies are too low and doesn't cover enough storage devices.

    The Copyright Board of Canada introduced the recordable media levies in 1999 on audiocassettes, Minidiscs and other CD recordable media. The Canadian Private Copying Collective, a recording industry association, asked the Copyright Board to increase these levies and also extend them to memory capable music players, blank DVDs, removable memory cards and micro hard drives. The Board denied the proposed increases and expansion of levies, except for music players. Players with capacity up to 1 GB will be charged CDN$2 per device, CDN$15 for 1 to 10 GB, and recorders with a capacity over 10 GB will be levied CDN$25.

    In addition to the decision on levies, the Board also addressed the issue of downloading from P2P applications. There has been a general consensus in Canada that uploading and making files available for download is illegal, but there has been a question about the legality of the act of downloading. After a quick read through of the Board's decision (pdf), their main emphasis is on how personal copying is defined by Part VIII of the Copyright Act.

    The regime does not address the source of the material copied. There is no requirement in Part VIII that the source copy be a non-infringing copy. Hence, it is not relevant whether the source of the track is a pre-owned recording, a borrowed CD, or a track downloaded from the Internet.

    Although the source of the copy does not matter, the destination does. The Board believes that section 80 creates an exemption that applies as long as two conditions are met: the copy must be for the private use of the person making it, and it must be made onto an audio recording medium, as defined in section 79.

    Even though a computer hard drive is the audio recording medium when using P2P applications, the Board did not assess a tariff because "the evidence available at this time does not clearly demonstrate that these recording media are ordinarily used by individuals for the purpose of copying music." Of course, contrary to the Board's decision, recording industry representatives still believe downloading is illegal. According to News.com, the final decision may be up to the courts.

    "I think it is pretty significant," Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, said. "It's not that the issue is resolved...I think that sooner or later, courts will sound off on the issue. But one thing they will take into consideration is the Copyright Board ruling."

    I'm sure many readers do not agree with Canada's levy structure, but one can argue it is better than having a Canadian version of the DMCA. That is not to say the current system is without problems. The levy system punishes everyone, whether or not they copy and share music, while giving a short shrift to independent music artists. It also subsidizes the music industry and gives legitimacy to their current business model in a time where music buying and distribution is in a state of flux. Instead of increasing or freezing the levies on recording media, the Board should have been looking at lowering them. With the advent of legitimate online music stores, the cost of music has started to decline, and levies should follow suit. I almost hate to say it, but I think I prefer the scheme Canada has implemented. The scheme addresses personal copying rights, while also compensating the recording industry for lost revenue. It may not be the best solution, but it does seem fairer than life under the DMCA in the U.S.
    sounds mutch better than the DMCA to me......
    Last edited by SpiralDragon; 15 December 2003, 16:38.
    "They say that dreams are real only as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"

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    Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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    • #3
      It's the same in Spain, we pay 0,02euros for every blank CD, which is under my point of view quite a lot.

      Personally I'm starting to buy less and less music. The last two CDs I bought wouldn't play on the car's stero or my portable cd player. They had some kind of anti-copy for CD-Roms. I got the money back though.
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      • #4
        drslump,

        Would you please unhand Zokes avatar? It is really starting to give me a very erie feeling about you.

        Joel
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Joel
          drslump,

          Would you please unhand Zokes avatar? It is really starting to give me a very erie feeling about you.

          Joel
          He's also groping Byock.. how weird is that?

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          • #6
            OK Joel,

            since you asked so politely and I don't have a clue of what an "erie feeling" is I'll change it

            btw. I've been looking for the meaning of "erie feeling" with no luck at all. Would you mind to enlightme on this subject? With examples if possible
            <font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="1" >epox 8RDA+ running an Athlon XP 1600+ @ 1.7Ghz with 2x256mb Crucial PC2700, an Adaptec 1200A IDE-Raid with 2x WD 7200rpm 40Gb striped + a 120Gb and a 20Gb Seagate, 2x 17" LG Flatron 775FT, a Cordless Logitech Trackman wheel and a <b>banding enhanced</b> Matrox Parhelia 128 retail shining thru a Koolance PC601-Blue case window<br>and for God's sake pay my <a href="http://www.drslump.biz">site</a> a visit!</font>

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            • #7
              Could it be the feeling of sludge and slime on one's body after swimming in the polluted Lake Erie?

              try "eerie"

              btw, I saved that avatar.. might use it myself hehe

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              • #8
                AAAHHHGGHH! Who is that scary ugly woman?

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                • #9
                  Could it be the feeling of sludge and slime on one's body after swimming in the polluted Lake Erie?

                  try "eerie"
                  That's a good one. But opps about the double 'e'.

                  Joel
                  Libertarian is still the way to go if we truly want a real change.

                  www.lp.org

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                  • #10
                    Oops!

                    thanks KvH, check PM
                    edit: you PM box is full

                    adj 1: suggestive of the supernatural; mysterious; "an eerie feeling of deja vu" [syn: eery, spooky] 2: so strange as to inspire a feeling of fear; "an uncomfortable and eerie stillness in the woods"; "an eerie midnight howl" [syn: eery]
                    edit (and 2) : The beautiful woman of my avatar is Tamara. She's a freak singer from Spain, she's got several plastic surgeries and she still as ugly as you can see she can't sing neither
                    I call her "TV subproduct for the masses"
                    Last edited by drslump; 15 December 2003, 18:53.
                    <font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="1" >epox 8RDA+ running an Athlon XP 1600+ @ 1.7Ghz with 2x256mb Crucial PC2700, an Adaptec 1200A IDE-Raid with 2x WD 7200rpm 40Gb striped + a 120Gb and a 20Gb Seagate, 2x 17" LG Flatron 775FT, a Cordless Logitech Trackman wheel and a <b>banding enhanced</b> Matrox Parhelia 128 retail shining thru a Koolance PC601-Blue case window<br>and for God's sake pay my <a href="http://www.drslump.biz">site</a> a visit!</font>

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                    • #11
                      LOL @ Joel
                      Titanium is the new bling!
                      (you heard from me first!)

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                      • #12
                        Sorry SD for inadvertantly highjacking your thread.

                        As usual though it is not the ones who are doing the copying illegaly that will have to pay the cost though. Kind of like it is the law abiding citizen who pays the ultimate price when it comes to stricter gun control laws. And no I am not trying to open up a debate about gun control, that can be done in another thread if so desired, but just giving an example.

                        Joel
                        Libertarian is still the way to go if we truly want a real change.

                        www.lp.org

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                        • #13
                          why do i get the feeling that zoke's avatar is bouncing her boobs at a faster rate ever since Drslump unhanded her
                          "They say that dreams are real only as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"

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                          • #14
                            drslump, are you sure about the situation in spain?

                            I know that in germany/austria a limited number of private copies (for use in the car, 2nd house,...) are legal (so far). to "compensate" the industry, there is a fee on certain recordable media.

                            which leads to the conclusion that the added price is not there to legalize downloaded musik....

                            btw, joel: here you can claim the money back if you send a form to a certain office and state that you only used the CDs for data you own.

                            mfg
                            wulfman
                            "Perhaps they communicate by changing colour? Like those sea creatures .."
                            "Lobsters?"
                            "Really? I didn't know they did that."
                            "Oh yes, red means help!"

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                            • #15
                              ok, this is clever

                              much better than DMCA to me.

                              Proud to be Canadian!

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