64bit sharks

[SpiralDragon]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14255

[DukeP]

Lol.

Soo right.

I have really been wondering whi Intel suddenly decided to go 64 bit.

~~DukeP~~

[Duty]

That's great

[SpiralDragon]

well it was inevitable... they should have made itanium more accesible to the masses befor AMD64 came out... that way we would have been done with the aging x86 world and moved on to higher grounds.... but some people tend to be too greedy for larg profit margins... too bad... but on the other hand some very interting changes are just around the corner.... i would postpon any upgrads till late 2005 early 2006.... and even then its too early imho but then again my northwood 2ghz P4 would be somewhat obsoleet by then.... all the same i think the wait would be more benefical and for once in a long while now i WILL actualy see a huge performance jump from what i already have.... whith what i have in my system now i can survive i gues...

here are my curent specs.. what do you guys think

P IV 2GHz 512KB 400MHz
I850 MV2 MBD
PM 40GB 7200Rpm Maxtor HDD
PS 60GB 7200Rpm Maxtor HDD
SM Plextor 705 DVD-/+R(RW)Drive
SS Pioneer 16x DVD-ROM Drive
2x 256MB (512MB) RDRAM Kingston @400mhz
MATROX Millenium g550 (2xSamsung Syncmaster 753DFx 17')
2xCreamWare Luna II Pro sound cards
Promis Tech FastTrack TX2Raid Controler ATA100
1xSeagate 40GB 7200RPM HDD
3xWD 40GB 7200 RPM HDDs (111GB Raid0)
FierWier Card
NIC card
EZ KBD coded for AVID
2x Studiophile BX5 Ref Audio Monitors
Contour Shutle Pro controler
Roland 74key action waited midi controler
HP printer forgot the model # i think its the 850c
Chiftec Dragon Mid Tower Casse
400W PSU
APC Backup UPS 500va (had it since 1997-8 and still working beutifuly)

so i gues my system will hold for another year or two befor i have to make a full upgrade...

do lots of Editing/Compositing and Audio realted stuff (including but not restricted to music making)

[rylan]

lol they should've shown the guy with the Itanium shirt with his legs bitten off... would be more accurate of how crappy that chip is. :P

[Chrono_Wanderer]

@Rylan. IA-64/EPIC architecture isn't all that bad. In fact, X86 is the worse of all... now, if nobody took the approch of x86-64, maybe there are chances some architectures may succeed. Too bad Alpha is dead...

[Wombat]

Originally posted by rylan
lol they should've shown the guy with the Itanium shirt with his legs bitten off... would be more accurate of how crappy that chip is. :P

Hey now, the architecture is actually damn sweet.

As for <I>implementations</I>, well Intel can't field a good lab to save their life.

[rylan]

I work with one of the guys who was on the old Itanium 1 design team, so I have a 'unique' perspective of some of the problems with the archetecture. Basically Intel totally botched the design for a true 64bit only processor. The x86-64 implemenation done by AMD is much much more elegant.

[KvHagedorn]

And to think Intel blew all that money buying Alpha just so they could squash it.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by rylan
I work with one of the guys who was on the old Itanium 1 design team, so I have a 'unique' perspective of some of the problems with the archetecture. Basically Intel totally botched the design for a true 64bit only processor. The x86-64 implemenation done by AMD is much much more elegant.

Yes, Intel botched the design. Merced is a total piece of crap. Because of that, and other incidents, Intel disbanded that lab. However, that does not speak for the architecture, just Intel's implementation.

Unique perspective? I worked on Itanium 2.

[schmosef]

I remember reading something about a researcher who was really anti-Intel because of the Itanium 1 design. He was so outspoken and successful in his rantings that Intel gave him a preview of the Itanium 2 design and he became a convert. I don't remember anything more about him. You guys heard about this? It was a few years ago I think.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
And to think Intel blew all that money buying Alpha just so they could squash it.

Yes, and it was probably the right thing to do. Alpha's time has passed. However, the labs that built Alpha are still very highly respected, and Intel is putting those guys to work on some interesting projects. It's the people that mattered, not the Alpha chip.

[Wombat]

Originally posted by schmosef
I remember reading something about a researcher who was really anti-Intel because of the Itanium 1 design. He was so outspoken and successful in his rantings that Intel gave him a preview of the Itanium 2 design and he became a convert. I don't remember anything more about him. You guys heard about this? It was a few years ago I think.

Itanium(Merced): Slow, bloated, buggy. Devoted too much of the core to a bad, bad, x86 implementation. Would have been slow if it came out on time, came out <I>way</I> late.

Itanium 2(McKinley): A total redesign, from scratch, by the HP boys. Had some very nice tricks, and one hell of a cache, that made it the fastest processor in the planet when it came out. Unfortunately, Intel took over refreshes (Madison).

[Chrono_Wanderer]

@Wombat: Wow, you work at Intel? That's awesome. (I recalled that you do but your posts reminded me!)

Don't know if this will break your RMA/some stuff, but are you still working on the IA-64, or did Intel completely abandoned it?

[KvHagedorn]

He used to work at HP. It's ALBPM and Oboy who work for Intel.