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  • Democracy: sell by date.

    Democracy was invented by the Athenians some 2500 years ago. What they deemed as democratic was a popular vote, much as a committee votes, sitting round a table. Of course, that's not democratic, even if the committee were elected democratically, which is rarely the case.

    Of course, what we consider today as democracy is nothing like true democracy, as the elections in Ukraine, Romania, the USA, and the future election in Iraq eloquently testify. The winners in most countries form a self-perpetuating oligarchy and their decisions do not reflect the popular will (except for the USA where the cost of elections ensures that it is a plutocracy, rather than a pure oligarchy).

    I suggest that the word 'democracy' has outlived its usefulness. Elections, especially in poor countries, are an expensive way of naming the members of an oligarchy, often with the risk that they have to have a new election before the term of the legislature is over.

    The oligarchs present themselves for election purely for enrichment and self-aggrandisement.

    I suggest that we can no longer afford these oligarchies and the sell-by date of our so-called democracy is over.

    I have a proposal to replace it. Most countries have some form of lottery. MPs, representatives, senators, ministers and heads of state should be named by a national lottery for a period of office of one year. This waay, there will be no cult of the personality and the cost would be negligible. Political parties would no longer serve any useful purpose. Above all, the government will be truly by the people. Costs would be minimalised, so that more money could be used where it is needed.

    Consider it a kind of conscription. The "elected" will be a true cross-section of society. The big advantage is the comfort of knowing that such a government/parliament cannot make a worse job than the "democratically" elected ones. Just think about it!
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    That's an awful idea! I side with Socrates.
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    • #3
      A lottery? That's ridiculous, why would anyone bother to do any work, or stand for anything if they have the same chance of getting in no matter what? It's also VERY open to corruption.

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      • #4
        Didn't Arthur C Clarke use this type od democracy in one of his books. Can't remember its name but its when the Earth goes nova because of the amount of particles its omitting.

        Breezer
        Everything I say is true apart from that which is not

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        • #5
          The other problem is that the service time is too short...by the time you got up and running the process would repeat itself and nothing would get done
          Why is it called tourist season, if we can't shoot at them?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GT98
            The other problem is that the service time is too short...by the time you got up and running the process would repeat itself and nothing would get done
            It is the same NOW , it is just shorter terms of office
            Better to let one think you are a fool, than speak and prove it


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            • #7
              Originally posted by GT98
              The other problem is that the service time is too short...by the time you got up and running the process would repeat itself and nothing would get done
              Err you mean something gets done.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by breezer
                Didn't Arthur C Clarke use this type od democracy in one of his books. Can't remember its name but its when the Earth goes nova because of the amount of particles its omitting.

                Breezer
                I remember a story like that. Can't remember the author (P.K. Dick?). It wasn't a true lottery. There was some computer that looked at the census data and calculated who should lead.
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                • #9
                  Sounds like Temp fodder to me.

                  Democracy in the US is very misused. Anyone who knows anything about forms of government know we don't have a democracy. Politicians and media like to use the term, but it's more of a Roman style republic than anything else.

                  Jammrock
                  “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                  –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                  • #10
                    I say we elect our officials a year in advance by making them compete on Survivor (for the national offices) and Big Brother (for local offices).

                    “And, remember: there's no 'I' in 'irony'” ~ Merlin Mann

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                    • #11
                      I think Canada should be a monarchy.
                      And I should be king
                      Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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                      • #12
                        And Pamela Anderson would be queen.
                        Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jammrock
                          Sounds like Temp fodder to me.

                          Democracy in the US is very misused. Anyone who knows anything about forms of government know we don't have a democracy. Politicians and media like to use the term, but it's more of a Roman style republic than anything else.

                          Jammrock
                          IF anyone had ever actually studied in their US Government and Civics classes they'd know that the US is a Constitutionally Limited Republic that uses democractic methods (as the lesser of all evils) for determining its representatives.

                          The whole purpose of the Constitution in a CLR is to limit the scope of the Federal government (see 10th ammendment) and move most decision making closer to the people (local and State governments & courts).

                          Exceptions include those few things where there is a Federal interest; equal protection, voting rights , interstate commerce, defense, international treaties etc.

                          Generally speaking this works, save for when activist Federal judges usurp the authority of the peoples representatives (Local and Federal) by legislating from the bench; mainly by ignoring the 10th ammendment or by accepting mis-uses of the Interstate Commerce clause.

                          One or two more conservative or libertarian oriented judges should take care of that since there have alredy been US Supreme Court decisions overturning such decisions and returning power to the States even with the current mix.

                          Democracies (see parlaimentary govenments) often descend into chaos, confusion or at the least a state of stasis where nothing gets done.

                          Italy has been one of the best examples of the last 50 years, but from this side of the pond it's looking like the EU is also headed into one of these states, if not all of 'em

                          Dr. Mordrid
                          Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 1 December 2004, 17:40.
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                          • #14
                            Oh sure, get nit picky with me
                            “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                            –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                            • #15
                              I did once come up with a version of big brother where we kicked one MP out of the house of parliament each week, and made them stand for re election. I reckon it'd work pretty well, in the UK anyway.
                              MURC COC Minister of Wierd Confusion (MWC)

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