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**Dilitante1** · 23 March 2005, 10:22

maybe they think you are gay? (too nice factor)

**KvHagedorn** · 23 March 2005, 11:03

This is really typical. They don't think of you in a sexual way because you don't come off like that. It's that simple. Guys who lust after every woman eventually find one that wants them to lust after them.

**xortam** · 23 March 2005, 11:11

Spiral ... Be true to yourself.

**SpiralDragon** · 23 March 2005, 11:12

Originally posted by xortam

Spiral ... Be true to yourself.

i am always myself.... what they see is what they get.. they just dont want it it seems...

**SpiralDragon** · 23 March 2005, 11:14

Originally posted by KvHagedorn

This is really typical. They don't think of you in a sexual way because you don't come off like that. It's that simple. Guys who lust after every woman eventually find one that wants them to lust after them.

i dont lust... i long for companigonship, understaning and hapiness

**KvHagedorn** · 23 March 2005, 11:18

Then pretend to lust.

Women say they want that but since when do women say what they mean or know what they really want?

**SpiralDragon** · 23 March 2005, 11:22

heeh.. tell me about it...

**xortam** · 23 March 2005, 12:52

Most women seem to want what they can't have. Many men are amazed at all the women that start hitting on them once they get involved in a relationship; they ask "where were they when I was alone?" I think it has to do with the sense of confidence, happiness, and calm one emits when they are in a relationship. Don't appear to be needy and just have confidence in yourself. A good woman will come along and be attracted to you and you'll both be happy. Now if you just want to play and you don't care what kind of woman you land up with, then just be bad and they won't leave you alone; they seem to lust after the bad boyz.

It's crazy but that's what I've observed and many others have told me.

**SpiralDragon** · 23 March 2005, 14:35

Originally posted by xortam

Now if you just want to play and you don't care what kind of woman you land up with, then just be bad and they won't leave you alone; they seem to lust after the bad boyz. .

unfortunatly .. its not in my nature to be like that.. a bad boy...

best i came close to being a bad guy was last friday .. when i got seriously drunk and kised one of my freinds on the cheek.. then asked if i can kiss her beutifull lips... she turned me down gracfully... "i dont feel like kissing you right now" she didnt go away.. but she did show me some affection.. fondeling my hair ... huging me.. things like that.. but no kiss...

**SpiralDragon** · 23 March 2005, 14:36

Originally posted by Dilitante1

maybe they think you are gay? (too nice factor)

nahh.. they know me well enufgh to know thats not true... i am just more in touch with my emotions than the regular guys here in Leb... call it the artist's complex if you like..

....

thing is i have more respect for women than the regular guys...

**Chrono_Wanderer** · 23 March 2005, 15:03

Originally posted by SpiralDragon

ok ... but dont say i didnt warn you

...

O_o

**Chrono_Wanderer** · 23 March 2005, 20:53

1. I know how to treat a woman and make her feel important, good, happy etc..
2. countrary to what i used to think, they do not find me boring at all.
3. they aknowlage that i am more talanted than many people combined, interms of creativity, technicality and originality.
4. they seem to think i am TOO nice...
5. NON of them seem to think i am pathetic.. hopless romantic yes.. but not pathetic.
6. I am a great listener
7. i am more than trust worthy.. as a mater of fact most of them admit that they would confied things to me that they would not even confied to their closest freinds.... and i am very honest.
8. non of them woudl be afraid to be in the same room with me ALONE... since they know that i woudl never take advantage of the situation
9. i am kind even to those who do not deserve it.
10. i am the most responsible man they have ever met.
11. I am more than avarge looking... in facts they say that i am prety good looking .. maybe not extreemly good looking but i am not avarage.
12. i am not like other guys...

exactly the same for me. #4 was said to me all the time (which I admit, i know i am nice), #8 happened god knows how many time. Few days ago was crazy. 12am till 9am chatting O_o

I've heard things like whoever is going to be ur gf is gonna be very lucky and i wonder what it'd be of us if we knew each other earlier. But when I hear something like that, I keep paulsing and went silent, just don't know what to say. I think the problem is with me not taking the initiatives even when I was given chances. I think I am not ready after my last one.

VJ · 24 March 2005, 01:29

Originally posted by SpiralDragon

1. I know how to treat a woman and make her feel important, good, happy etc..
2. countrary to what i used to think, they do not find me boring at all.
3. they aknowlage that i am more talanted than many people combined, interms of creativity, technicality and originality.
4. they seem to think i am TOO nice...
5. NON of them seem to think i am pathetic.. hopless romantic yes.. but not pathetic.
6. I am a great listener
7. i am more than trust worthy.. as a mater of fact most of them admit that they would confied things to me that they would not even confied to their closest freinds.... and i am very honest.
8. non of them woudl be afraid to be in the same room with me ALONE... since they know that i woudl never take advantage of the situation
9. i am kind even to those who do not deserve it.
10. i am the most responsible man they have ever met.
11. I am more than avarge looking... in facts they say that i am prety good looking .. maybe not extreemly good looking but i am not avarage.
12. i am not like other guys...

I am in the exact same situation...

I have a feeling they consider me (us?) to good a friend, and they don't want to risk loosing that friendship trying a relation doesn't work out.

JÃ¶rg

**SpiralDragon** · 24 March 2005, 01:56

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer

I've heard things like whoever is going to be ur gf is gonna be very lucky and i wonder what it'd be of us if we knew each other earlier.

god.... donâ€™t remember how many times I have herd that one too... even when I was married... thing is after i got my divorce every one seemed to agree that they where rather happy for me because they saw first hand how unhappy i was in the relationship.. And how patient I was.. Understanding and all... my ex-wife was not a bad person.. but everyone reserved their judgment till after i had the divorce... the consensus is she and i where a major miss match.... that she took me for granted.... and it seams that every one but me saw that she did not really have any feelings of love for me... everyone seemed to notice that cause she got herself someone who is good she did not want to let go of it... but she did not love me half as much as i loved her... even my ex-wife now admits that she thought of me more as someone good to have in her life but that her feelings for me where not as deep as she thought they where...

**SpiralDragon** · 24 March 2005, 02:13

Originally posted by VJ

I am in the exact same situation...

I have a feeling they consider me (us?) to good a friend, and they don't want to risk loosing that friendship trying a relation doesn't work out.

JÃ¶rg

yes they tell me that too... but there are two girls that i have been very frank with... I offered them a free relationship... one where we can be overwhelmingly intimate with each other emotionally, intellectually and physically... to be more than friends but not committed to each other... both of them agree that such a relationship would be wonderful... I am not talking about just having fun with them and then casting them away when I am don.. I am not like that and they know it.. .i know they know it because they said it... and they know i would never hurt them and would always be there for them... thatâ€™s how they have described me these are not my words... so they like the idea but donâ€™t want to go with it... both of them are committed to these two guys who have been abroad over a year now and who have a history of screwing around behind their backs... the worst thing is they know that their vapor boyfriends are not being true to them at the moment.. that even when they where both in leb they where screwing around... yet still they give them a chance... yet still they know that eventually both these men are going to toss them aside like a rag doll when they are done with them.... its baffling... I understand people and I can tell things about them when i look into their eyes.. especially women... but when it comes to understanding why a woman gets into a relationship with someone who she knows is not going to be true to her yet still she never lets go of him and will not go with the man that she herself professes will be true to her and will treat her better than anyone she knows no mater what... now that confuses the hell out of me and it frustrates me beyond reason too. Not for my sake but for the girlâ€™s sakeâ€¦ I mean I can do fine if I am turned down because she will still be my friendâ€¦ but I cant stand seeing these wonderful ladies that I know being willingly treated like trash

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