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  • #16
    1) Consult a specialised patent attorney. If he considers your idea as patentable go to 2. If not, go to 99

    2) Ask him to conduct a preliminary search for prior art. If he still considers your idea as patentable, go to 3, if not, go to 98

    3) Get your attorney to draw up an application for your country alone and file it. This is the important point because the date of filing establishes prior art for any one subsequently trying to patent the same thing. Go to 4

    4) Wait. Go to 5

    5) Your local Patent Office will issue either a provisional or definitive decision, based on your claims and that of prior art. If the decision is definitive and negative, go to 99. If the decision is provisional, go to 6. If the decision is definitive and positive, go to 7

    6) Consider, with your attorney, the merits of the result and choose whether to go back to 3 to supply complementary info or go to 99

    7) If you are infinitely rich go to 20, if not go to 8

    8) If you are reasonably rich, go to 30, if not go to 9

    9) Having established the prior art, try to find an interested manufacturing/marketing party, still under conditions of strict secrecy, develop it and put it on the market so that you have a year's advance before a competitor can market it. but do not file for a full patent. Go to 40.

    20) File for the patent in as many countries as possible

    30) File for the patent in a few countries likely to be your main markets

    40) Tell the attorney that you are not pusuing the matter.

    98) Consider whether to try another attorney, If so, go to 1, if not, go to 99

    99) Abandon the idea

    Reasoning: Filing an application, with attorney's fees, may cost you €1000 or a bit more. Obtaining the definitive patent in 1 country will cost a lot more, and multiply that by the number of countries. If someone contests or infringes your patent, you have to take him to court. Your attorney's and the court fees will be ~€50,000 up front for each country where you are contested, with no guarantee that you will get a cent back, even if you win. Your best bet is to file an application to establish prior art at an official level, so no one else can patent, drop it after the decision, develop and flood the market with it before any one else gets wind of it, so that the VJGizmo becomes a byword for the device before the competition can even start. Been there, done that, many times. IOW, you are investing in having the device produced, rather than paying for the services of bureaucrats, attorneys and other parasites. My estimate is that if you wish to follow the patent route and are prepared to invest to defend your interests, be prepared to pay up to €1M (or more) Ã* fonds perdus.
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    • #17
      Great info!

      My idea was to go with what you described in 9, both to minimize my (financial) investment and possible risk and for ease; but I didn't know how to protect myself from malicious parties.
      So, knowing this, I guess I can start working on my VJGizmo drawings/documents.

      You say "been there, done that many times": any chance of an ellisgizmo on my desk?


      Jörg
      pixar
      Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow. (James Dean)

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      • #18
        No, I very much doubt whether you have ever seen an ellisgizmo. To give you an idea, I have followed only one patent to the bitter end. A US company made a Dutch copy a year later. I did not have the means to provide the $100,000 upfront a US patent attorney wanted to bring the infringer to court, even though he said I had a 99.9% chance of winning the case. That was how I learnt that patents have a value only if you have the means to litigate. That was in the 1960s and concerned a pre-electronic way of drafting printed circuit boards. I actually made a little bit of money with licensing out the technology to a third party in England and another one in Switzerland.

        Other gizmos included a new way of measuring the insulation resistance of electronics components, a new way of cleaning electronics assemblies, a way of drying same, a means of using computer technology to measure the cleanliness of same and a way of extracting toxic solvent vapours when used in hand-wiping large parts (actually, the inspiration came when I saw a guy wiping the solid fuel rocket booster modules for the Shuttle, prior to applying the insulation and the fuel in Utah). I stopped the process after the application with all of these.
        Brian (the devil incarnate)

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        • #19
          You should have gotten to a BIG law firm. IF your case was that good, they would have a/ either gotten you a low low fee, b/ not asked you anything upfront but after the trial was won.

          c/ is when you're rich, then you pay.

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          • #20
            No, the bottom line is that to the rich shall it be given; from the poor shall it be taken away. My patent attorney contacted three different firms and all insisted on money up front.

            Remember this was 40 years ago when the notion of lawyers working on results or a percentage of awards did not exist.
            Brian (the devil incarnate)

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            • #21
              ok...
              Guess I'll make some drawings/writings, if possible even a prototype and then go to a patent attorney to inquire about future possibilities.

              Jörg
              pixar
              Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow. (James Dean)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Brian Ellis
                No, the bottom line is that to the rich shall it be given; from the poor shall it be taken away. My patent attorney contacted three different firms and all insisted on money up front.

                Remember this was 40 years ago when the notion of lawyers working on results or a percentage of awards did not exist.
                True true...too bad...you should have filed it in Europe at a notary. It's not a patent but it gives you precedence of discovery.

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