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  • t/Space the new man-to-orbit system?

    NASA looking to t/Space (Transformational Space Corporation) for the solution to a shuttle replacement program? Could be.

    The plan looks to be a combination of two vehicles: the t/Space CXV (Crew Transfer Vehicle) launch vehicle for getting men to orbit and the CEV (Crew Exploration Vehicle) for lunar and other missions.

    Space.Com article:

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    The structure of the CXV capsule would be designed and built by Rutan's Scaled Composites, the Mojave, Calif.-based company that designed and built SpaceShipOne, the world's first private-financed piloted spacecraft, for roughly $25 million.

    The CXV would be attached to its booster and carried aloft under the belly of a large carrier aircraft to an altitude of 7,600 meters for release and launch - an approach t/Space thinks has significant safety advantages over a pad launch in the event of a booster failure.

    "You are up high enough where you can separate and parachute down under almost any circumstance," Gump said. "Whereas with an abort on the pad you have a split second to release a lot of energy, hopefully in the right direction, to get you up high enough for the chutes to deploy. It's much more challenging."

    The CXV would be designed to make a parachute landing into the water and be recovered for reuse, according to Gump, "with minimal refurbishment."

    The CXV booster would be a more powerful version of the QuickReach booster that t/Space teammate AirLaunch LLC is developing for the U.S. Air Force and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's under its operationally responsive spacelift program.
    QuickReach article:



    The QuickReach is a two-stage liquid fuel rocket that is carried to its launch point in the cargo bay of an aircraft such as an Air Force C-17 or a privately chartered Antonov 124. This simplifies operations compared to ground launch from a fixed range in several ways: no coordination is required with other users of the range, weather constraints are avoided by flying to open sky, and there are fewer delays waiting for specific launch windows (to match desired orbits) because the vehicle can be flown to an alternate launch point that is better aligned with the desired orbit.
    Because QuickReach does not use turbopumps or mechanical gas pressurization systems, it can be scaled up with few changes in its basic components. This means that later versions of QuickReach can deliver 10,000-lb. payloads simply through modest increases in the diameter of the vehicle and its engines.
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    Cool, would love to see the shuttle program go by the wasteside. It is a long time coming. What is it, thirty some years old now?

    Do have one question though.

    The plan looks to be a combination of two vehicles: the t/Space CXV (Crew Transfer Vehicle) launch vehicle for getting men to orbit and the CEV (Crew Exploration Vehicle) for lunar and other missions.
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    • #3
      "Men" in the "member of humanity" sense...not the gender sense.

      Dr. Mordrid
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      • #4
        They should design an enclosure within the shuttle that is literally indestructible in case another accident occurs, this the way the crew are safe.
        It should have a set of parachutes that can be deployed based on altitude if it's close to earth and if the accident occurs in space, it should have a navigation system with enough fuel to sustain emergancies.

        Safety should BE top priority

        Cheers,
        Elie
        Last edited by Elie; 13 May 2005, 07:24.

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        • #5
          Your first argument is similar to question "why airplines aren't built like black boxes?"
          As for the rest...you just described Apollo or Soyuz-type vehicle. (and from what I understand this new one will be like that...but it's nothing unusual)

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          • #6
            The shuttle already has a high strength capsule with the crew cabin. It's basically a capsule with 100 tons of crap surrounding it.

            The only reason the Challenger astronauts didn't survive is that this capsule survived the blast, and so did the astronauts, but there was no parachute system attached to the cabin capsule to get it safely down.

            The black-box recordings show that they survived right down to the cabin capsules impact with the water.

            Add a heat shield, albeit with some weight penalty, and a decent system and maybe even the Columbia crew could have made it.

            The shuttle designers made no provision for escape or ejection in the operational design even though the first shuttle, Enterprise, had ejection seats. Dumbasses.

            Solution: get men up and down in something simple and let the heavy lift boosters handle the payloads.

            In other words: KISS....keep it simple stupid.

            Dr. Mordrid
            Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 13 May 2005, 10:35.
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            • #7
              I totally agree with you guys, it's a shame though, that lessons have to be learnt the hard way

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              • #8
                The thing about the shuttle is that it is a large cabin as well, with lots of instruments and the robotic arm and all. You just could not do the same things if you say, sent a two man crew up in a Gemini and the payload up to meet them on a Saturn1B.

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                • #9
                  But If you could spend just half the money that was spend on Shuttle on modularized system, I'd bet it would far surpas the Shuttle in anything (perhaps except deorbiting large cargos...but who needs that anyway?)

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                  • #10
                    Hang on to your wallet and dont' get too scientifically excited.


                    Bretton Alexander named Vice President for Government Relations



                    RESTON, VA - Feb. 23, 2005– Former White House aide Bretton Alexander has joined Transformational Space Corporation LLC (t/Space) as Vice President for Government Relations.



                    Prior to joining t/Space, Mr. Alexander was a senior policy analyst at the White House in the Office of Science and Technology Policy, where he played a central role in developing the Vision for Space Exploration announced by President George W. Bush in January 2004. While at the White House, Mr. Alexander also contributed to other important Administration space policy initiatives, drawing on his space expertise within the U.S. Government, commercial, and international space policy communities.

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