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**Brian Ellis** · 30 June 2005, 01:23

I know that such child abuse does happen, but this kind of emotional twaddle is never going to stop one child from being hurt. If you feel so strongly about the matter, you would be better engaged by contributing your services to one of the many charities that exist for that purpose, especially those that have helplines (of course, not very helpful for 3-y.o kids).

I'll not forward this because this is a real, hard, problem, not solved by a silly poem and a message which was written by someone who is not literate enough to discern between 'affect' and 'effect'

**Umfriend** · 30 June 2005, 02:32

Still gave me chickenbumps (?) though

**Fat Tone** · 30 June 2005, 02:35

Exactly Umf. That's why I posted.

*sigh* @ Brian.

**Gurm** · 30 June 2005, 06:46

And now, for the opposing view:

**Jammrock** · 30 June 2005, 06:50

Originally posted by Gurm

And now, for the opposing view:

I need one of those ... even though I don't drink.

**ZokesPro** · 30 June 2005, 09:04

I have a hard time conceiving that someone could abuse a child, there own child at that, but it does happen. When it does, the dammage is already done and affects the child throughout his or her life. So in a way, I don't feel as bad now that Sarah is dead, makes me feel better that she doesn't have to suffer anymore.

There are some people that desperately need help with their own problems, Sarah's father is obviously one of them.

P.S.: Daddy drinks because I cry? I don't get it.

**Jammrock** · 30 June 2005, 10:01

Originally posted by ZokesPro

P.S.: Daddy drinks because I cry? I don't get it.

You don't get how parents can abuse their kids and the t-shirt because well ... you've never raised a rugrat. My son didn't start sleeping through the night on a regular basis for 9 months. Which means he cried when he was hungry, cried when he was tired, woke up every 1-3 hours at night screaming bloody murder, cried when something didn't go his way, cried when the food was not the right temperature, cried he pooped, cried when he was thirsty, cried anything even slightly annoyed him ... and for 9 month the wife and I did this on about 2-6 hours of good REM sleep each night.

After a while it wears you down. My wife put on a lot of weight because she's one of those that eats to cope with stress. And after 1.5-2 years of putting up with a screaming child that you can't communicate effectively with, the smallest things start setting the parents off. Those whom have small amounts of control and temper, or are just mean bastards, start abusing their children.

I takes a lot of love, patience, and really good earplugs to raise a kid.

**Gurm** · 30 June 2005, 10:56

Logan slept through the night... the first night we had him home. Ok, that's an exaggeration. The first night he only slept in 3-4 hour stints. Still pretty good for a newborn. Within a month he was sleeping the whole night, no wake-ups. Probably more like 2-3 weeks. But a lot of that had to do with his unique feeding situation. He wouldn't latch onto the nipple - real OR synthetic - so we had to feed him with a capillary tube attached to a finger. That gets real old, real quick - it took him half an hour to eat a quarter of what most kids eat in just 10 minutes. Plus Julie, due to the trauma of birth (long story) was on codeine... which ended up (a little, anyway) in his milk. So all he did the first week was eat and sleep (and poop, but that often happened WHILE eating or sleeping). He didn't cry too much - and we STILL got chronically overtired. After a while you just collapse. I'd get up with him and find myself asleep on the nursery FLOOR, no idea how I got there. I can only imagine the hell a high-maintenance child is.

I'm not saying there's any EXCUSE for child abuse, but I understand how it happens. The same sort of person that would hit their wife... could EASILY snap and hit their kid. It's not OK, but it happens. Sad, but true.

And the t-shirt... is just ****ing funny. It's an old joke - y'know "titles of children's books that didn't make it" - and one of the titles is "Daddy drinks because you cry." Hilarious.

**ZokesPro** · 2 July 2005, 08:49

Originally posted by Jammrock

You don't get how parents can abuse their kids and the t-shirt because well ... you've never raised a rugrat. My son didn't start sleeping through the night on a regular basis for 9 months. Which means he cried when he was hungry, cried when he was tired, woke up every 1-3 hours at night screaming bloody murder, cried when something didn't go his way, cried when the food was not the right temperature, cried he pooped, cried when he was thirsty, cried anything even slightly annoyed him ... and for 9 month the wife and I did this on about 2-6 hours of good REM sleep each night.

After a while it wears you down. My wife put on a lot of weight because she's one of those that eats to cope with stress. And after 1.5-2 years of putting up with a screaming child that you can't communicate effectively with, the smallest things start setting the parents off. Those whom have small amounts of control and temper, or are just mean bastards, start abusing their children.

I takes a lot of love, patience, and really good earplugs to raise a kid.

Oh ok, should have known. No I've never raised a child let alone babysit. I feel stupid now and you just pointed it out.

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