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  • #61
    I saw a show on PBS about people who are immune to AIDS. There is a genetic ... mutation, or variation, or something along those lines in the CCR5 gene called, delta 32. The theory is that people with this gene "mutation" (though I don't see how a mutation that makes a person immune to AIDS and possible the black plague can be called a mutation ... more like a variant) was what made some people immune to the black plague of olde Europa. This Delta 32 blocks certain viruses and bacteria from killing the white blood cells, thus the body is capable of fighting back and killing the diesease.

    They did tests on decendants of black plague survivors and found that many did have the Delta 32 mutation. It has also been shown in some tests that people with Delta 32 are in fact immune to AIDS. The PBS show interviewed a homosexual man who had all of his partner back in the 80's die from AIDS, yet he lived. He has the Delta 32 mutation.

    The PBS article is here:

    Watch full episodes of your favorite PBS dramas, find in-depth news analysis and explore documentaries on history, science, art and more!


    Nature.com has an article online regarding this research, but it's locked behind a $30 pruchase fee, and BugMeNot does no good.

    Anyway, the research is fairly new, and as such is still up to review and critism. The theory is that since the Scandinavian nations were hit hardest by the black plague, estimates are around 33%-50% of the population in Norway and Sweden died from it, that a large portion of those who survived either lived farther inland or had this Delta 32 mutation. Thus Scandinavia, being decendants of a high Delta 32 population, would be more "immune" to aids than others... or so the theory goes.

    Jammrock
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Gurm
      Would you have preferred "JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK!"
      I prefer Prof. Farnsworth's exclaimation: "Sweet zombie Jesus!"
      Last edited by Jon P. Inghram; 10 July 2005, 21:25.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Jammrock
        Nature.com has an article online regarding this research, but it's locked behind a $30 pruchase fee, and BugMeNot does no good.
        give me the link and I'll see what I can do - being on a university-network has some advantages.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Gurm
          Would you have preferred "JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK!"
          why not "JUMPING MOSES ON A POGO STICK!" ?

          I believe Nowhere means you're using "terminology" not belonging to your religious appartenance -for a reason...or not. This can be viewed as slander/sleight.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Kurt
            why not "JUMPING MOSES ON A POGO STICK!" ?

            I believe Nowhere means you're using "terminology" not belonging to your religious appartenance -for a reason...or not. This can be viewed as slander/sleight.
            No, that'd be "ass****ed Jesus dying on the cross".
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Jammrock
              I saw a show on PBS about people who are immune to AIDS. There is a genetic ... mutation, or variation, or something along those lines in the CCR5 gene called, delta 32. The theory is that people with this gene "mutation" (though I don't see how a mutation that makes a person immune to AIDS and possible the black plague can be called a mutation ... more like a variant) was what made some people immune to the black plague of olde Europa. This Delta 32 blocks certain viruses and bacteria from killing the white blood cells, thus the body is capable of fighting back and killing the diesease.

              They did tests on decendants of black plague survivors and found that many did have the Delta 32 mutation. It has also been shown in some tests that people with Delta 32 are in fact immune to AIDS. The PBS show interviewed a homosexual man who had all of his partner back in the 80's die from AIDS, yet he lived. He has the Delta 32 mutation.

              The PBS article is here:

              Watch full episodes of your favorite PBS dramas, find in-depth news analysis and explore documentaries on history, science, art and more!


              Nature.com has an article online regarding this research, but it's locked behind a $30 pruchase fee, and BugMeNot does no good.

              Anyway, the research is fairly new, and as such is still up to review and critism. The theory is that since the Scandinavian nations were hit hardest by the black plague, estimates are around 33%-50% of the population in Norway and Sweden died from it, that a large portion of those who survived either lived farther inland or had this Delta 32 mutation. Thus Scandinavia, being decendants of a high Delta 32 population, would be more "immune" to aids than others... or so the theory goes.

              Jammrock
              Yes, I believe if you look through some of the articles I cited... essentially it confers one of two things, depending on how many copies of the gene you have:

              1. Increased AIDS resistance - meaning that you still get HIV, but it takes MUCH longer (on the order of decades instead of years) to turn into AIDS, or maybe never becomes full-blown-gonna-die-tomorrow AIDS.

              2. Complete HIV immunity. This is a mixed blessing. It means that HIV can't get into yer macrophages. Fun, yeah? Well, it might be - except that people with HIV immunity (which is estimated at about 1% of the EU population) can still get AIDS. And, sadly, they die quicker from it if/when they DO get it... because the version they get is the "straight for the T-cells kill ya overnight" kind. Oops.
              The Internet - where men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents!

              I'm the least you could do
              If only life were as easy as you
              I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
              If only life were as easy as you
              I would still get screwed

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Wulfman
                give me the link and I'll see what I can do - being on a university-network has some advantages.

                mfg
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Kurt
                  ...
                  I believe Nowhere means you're using "terminology" not belonging to your religious appartenance -for a reason...or not. This can be viewed as slander/sleight.
                  Nah, more like "there's a possibility he is ironic/sarcastic/not serious"

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                  • #69
                    I really tried - but the general library of my university has no subscription, nor has my current employer - only some groups at my uni seem to have access to the online archive. I could take a look at the text in the printed version, but that won't help you. sorry.

                    mfg
                    wulfman
                    "Perhaps they communicate by changing colour? Like those sea creatures .."
                    "Lobsters?"
                    "Really? I didn't know they did that."
                    "Oh yes, red means help!"

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