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  • Valiant... (movie review, very little spoilage)

    So, I just saw Valiant.

    Impressions:

    1. Logan liked it ok, but it wasn't RIVETING for him in the way that "The Incredibles" or "Robots" were. Frankly, I think that "Robots" was only so riveting because they were ROBOTS, you see. And he's a 4 year old boy, so ROBOTS are the best thing EVER.

    2. It was really god damned short. This is indicative of the budget, as in CG movies the length is directly proportional to the dollar cost.

    3. It was British. This isn't a BAD thing, mind you. But some of the dialogue was incomprehensible even to me, and I'm a big anglophile especially in TV and movies. This leads to point 4:

    4. The sound mixing was horrible. Abso-friggin-lutely wretched. Some points were too loud, the dialogue was ALWAYS lost in the soundtrack except when people were shouting.

    5. The humor was... for the most part... lost on kids. I don't know what the target audience for this movie was. It was too simple-minded to be targeted at adults (as for example Shrek largely was), but 90% of the dialogue and humor went RIGHT over the heads of anyone under 10... heck, anyone under 13.

    --- An aside: ---

    I've had this problem with a lot of animated movies lately. You develop NO attachment to the characters. You have to WORK to get attached to the characters. It's as though they expect the marketing to do the work of a setup. The setup in this movie was EXACTLY 2 minutes long. The part where you might get to know the characters even though the plot was developing lasted another 5 minutes. Come ON, people! Learn from the successes. Why did Shrek do well? Because you spend the WHOLE movie getting to know who he is. Who Donkey is. Who Fiona is. The Incredibles did really well for the same reason. But in a lot of movies lately (Robots is another good example although I liked it, as is Shark Tale which I absolutely HATED) they try to cram in a 10-minute "getting to know you in a condensed format before thrusting you into a cavalcade of meeting new characters that you'll forget in another 60 seconds".

    --- End Aside. ---

    6. The animation was quite nice. Lots of different ways to draw a pigeon. Or a hawk... oh, excuse me FALCON.

    7. The talent was amazing. John Cleese, Ewan McGregor, Tim Curry (YES!), Jim Broadbent, Ricky Gervais (WOO! RICKY!), and a host of other people you'd recognize if I held up their picture.

    So...

    OVERALL RECOMMENDATION: If you like animated movies, and/or British movies, and are willing to forgive the "dialogue for grownups laid over a plot for retarded monkeys" which so prevails lately... go see it. On the other hand, maybe the mix will be better on DVD...
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  • #2
    Gurm , bit off topic but did 'Shaun of the Dead' (British comedy spoof of Dawn of the Dead) do quite well in the US? I found it funny.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Fluff
      Gurm , bit off topic but did 'Shaun of the Dead' (British comedy spoof of Dawn of the Dead) do quite well in the US? I found it funny.
      Only in its niche. I, too, found it to be quite funny - but it did... well, so-so I guess. The local video store got in two copies that were perpetually out, which is usually a sign of a small niche that appreciates a particular film, but not high demand.
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      • #4
        Of course, popularity in that way is determined solely by the vid store owner. If he had gotten more copies it might have been "more popular."

        I liked Shawn of the Dead.. thought it was great. lots of britslang and heavily accented, though. Actually had to put the subtitles on to understand what they were saying half the time.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KvHagedorn
          Of course, popularity in that way is determined solely by the vid store owner. If he had gotten more copies it might have been "more popular."
          As this was BlockBuster, not likely that the local franchise operators had much to do with it.

          I liked Shawn of the Dead.. thought it was great. lots of britslang and heavily accented, though. Actually had to put the subtitles on to understand what they were saying half the time.
          I have a two-rewind rule. If I have to rewind it twice to figure out what they said, I turn on the subs and leave 'em on.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gurm
            As this was BlockBuster, not likely that the local franchise operators had much to do with it.
            Ah, so it was a MEGACORP that decided what was to be put on the shelves rather than a small mom and pop store. This must mean conspiracy instead of poor judgement.

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            • #7
              I think it had less to do with retail copies and more to do with poor box office receipts combined with near incomprehensibility to American audiences in some spots.
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              • #8
                Shawn of the Dead is fantastic. If you liked it get hold of the 2 seasons of "Spaced". Same crew. Quite british humour though
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                • #9
                  I think in order to get alot of the in-jokes you need to watch "Spaced".
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                  • #10
                    True I suppose. I would actually be vaguely interested to see how amusing it was to a non-Brit (even those here who are probably more capable of getting a lot of the references than the average). I guess you might call it "quirky" at times, but it is absolutely hilarious.
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                    • #11
                      Great film, although I am supprised that you needed subs in parts...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Paddy
                        Great film, although I am supprised that you needed subs in parts...
                        That was KvH, for reference. I did back it up once or twice, usually to let the bunch I was with hear something again.
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                        • #13
                          I was really disapointed with Shaun of the Dead..it had its moments but overall it was kinda lame.
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                          • #14
                            Well, part of the needing subs were there were people in the room talking, so I couldn't devote my undivided attention to it.

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