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    FDA withdraws approval for ADHD drug Cylert

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The FDA has withdrawn approval for a drug used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder because it has been associated with liver problems, including death, agency officials said Monday.

    The move means drug manufacturers will no longer produce generic versions of pemoline, which was developed by Abbott Laboratories and sold under the name Cylert (pemoline). Abbott discontinued the drug earlier this year, but generic versions have remained available.

    FDA is not recalling the drug, instead allowing pharmacies to sell their remaining stock as doctors still using it switch patients to alternative treatments, the agency said in a statement.

    The lack of a recall drew fire from the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

    "It is reckless and insensitive to the health and lives of children and adults using this drug for the FDA and the involved drug companies to fail to institute an immediate recall of these dangerous products," said Drs. Sidney Wolfe and Peter Lurie, who lead the organization's Health Research Group, in a letter to the FDA.

    In a statement, the FDA said it has 13 reports of liver failure resulting in transplant or death among people who took the drug, which has been available for 30 years. There are additional reports of less serious problems.

    Although that is a small number, it is well above what the normal rate of such problems among the general population, the FDA said.

    "FDA has concluded that the risk of liver failure with this drug outweighs the potential benefits," the agency statement says, noting that alternative treatments for ADD have come on the market since pemoline was introduced.

    The drug acts as a stimulant to the central nervous system.
    Abbot letter to health care professionals:



    Funny commentary on Cylert by a parental unit:

    Cylert (pemoline). The ADHD medication of last resort, used only if nothing else will get that goddamn kid to sit still and shut the **** up for five minutes. This is the other med with which we have no experience, but for good reason.

    Concerta we have yet to try, while Cylert has a big black-box warning about liver failure and it states right in the patient information sheet, "CYLERT should not ordinarily be considered as first line drug therapy for ADHD." That's drug company speak for "try everything else first." It figures that it's one of the few drugs in this guide that might actually be safe to use during pregnancy.

    Oh how the universe loves to play these little jokes on us. It won't harm your unborn child, but it might kill you first. Rather, it might kill that goddamn kid who won't shut the hell up for five freaking minutes.

    Reports of adults dropping dead from liver failure are a lot harder to find, but adults might be getting more reliable liver panels. Other than one guy taking it for narcolepsy who had an enlarged prostate, no freaky side effects (not counting the sudden deaths from liver failure).
    Dr. Mordrid
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 24 October 2005, 21:58.
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  • #2
    BTW Doc (and other...), what do you think about this whole "treating small children witt powerfull psychotropic drugs" thing that takes place in US?

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    • #3
      First understand that we are parents with much experience in such matters.

      Our middle son Christopher was "diagnosed" with ADHD at age 6 and was "treated" for it with Ritalin for many years....until we figured out that his problem was really elsewhere.

      That said I think a very small percentage of those being treated are being treated;

      1. for real medical reasons. Far too many kids, most all boys, are being treated for simply being boys....meaning rambunctious perpetual motion machines.

      The whole notion of expecting 6-12 year old boys to sit still and quiet in a classroom like little robots for 7 hours a day with only a single 30-45 minute break in the middle is IMO rediculous. I say they need an exercise/play break every 2 hours to blow off steam.

      Not to mention that today other typically male primate activities like elementary school schoolyard scuffles are being criminalized. Look at the behavior of any other primate and you'll see that this should be expected, yet today many schools call the cops on 2nd graders for such silliness

      2. for the correct condition. There are many kids out there being treated for AD or ADHD that have been mis-diagnosed. Many have been bi-polar, but until recently the diagnosticians involved had not accepted the notion of bi-polarism in children. Too bad because many, many parents have been telling them otherwise for at least 30 years...Margie and I included.

      Eventually the weight of evidence caught up with them, but this bit of diagnostic gymnastics caused many kids to be treated with high powered stimulants like Ritalin when what they really needed was something else.

      No wonder their "treatments" failed miserably

      Dr. Mordrid
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 25 October 2005, 10:11.
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      • #4
        So the situation _really_ is (regarding #1) so that you could take your youngest son, go to the doctor (I've also heard that not really specialists can make such decision - true?), describe how he behaves (from I remember of what you talk about him, he would fit quite a bit; BTW, you also if your father would decide in the past to do so) and have him diagnosed with ADHD without much "problems"? :/

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        • #5
          Most kids properly diagnosed with AD/ADHD also have a learning disorder. Save for Chris our family has none. All of us were A students but for him and his disorder is in math only.

          While there are standards for AD and ADHD diagnosis they are all too often not followed.

          The way it's supposed to work is that the kid gets a full workup by a child psychologist, which can take several visits for a proper one, then sees a psychiatrist or neuropharmacologist who will determine the course of treatment, but this happens far less often than it should.

          In far too many cases an exasperated teacher, all too often female with little or no family experience with male children, will write up that the kid appears to be ADHD based on one of those stupid 10 question lists.

          This then goes to school administration and the parents get told to take the kid to their family doctor for evaluation. The parents comply and the next thing you know some general practitioner or pediatrician makes the call to put the kid on meds.

          Once the kid is on the meds who do you think evaluates if the dose needs to go up or down? In most cases not the shrink but the family doctor.

          If the kid has a couple of bad days (not unusual with kids in this group) then the teacher gripes to the parents to run to their doctor and the next thing you know the kids dose is doubled.

          The result: more kids are on Ritalin (a drug very similar to speed) or something like it than studies say actually need it.

          Do I think this sucks? You betcha. How to fix? For starters GP's and pediatricians should NOT be allowed to prescribe these drugs. After that I think a major re-thinking of the whole concept is in order.

          Yes, there are kids with attention and activity disorders.

          No, I DO NOT think this should be the catchall diagnosis for every annoying kid that drives a teacher nuts.

          IMO a lot of teachers should re-think their career choice if they can't handle boys who dare to act like boys.

          Dr. Mordrid
          Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 25 October 2005, 10:48.
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          • #6
            Agreed. This ritalin thing is completely out of hand. Every healthy youngster is going to have lots of energy and want to play. It is the responsibility of teachers and parents to teach kids how to behave in public and discipline them accordingly when they do not.

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            • #7
              The really bad part of this is when what happened to Chris occurs. He was bi-polar but they insisted he was ADHD. Only after many years did the reality finally hit the doctors, even though we had been challenging their conventional wisdom for years.

              Can you even imagine what it was like handling a bi-polar kid in his "up" phase who was on high doses of Ritalin?

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              • #8
                In the Netherlands as well, ADHD is, less than in the US though, used as a negative diagnosis (i.e. "We don't know what it is, it's nothing we know, it must be ADHD"). Allegedly, the diagnosis is often supported, as in wanted, by the parents (never heard about it being sought after by school) to get some drug to have the stupid kid shut up cause the can;t stand it.

                Of course, often it's not the kid that's stupid...

                What is a kid that is "bi-polar"? Anything like manic-depression?
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                • #9
                  Yeah I think it was called like that at some point. Either that or I mixed things in the morning right after waking up
                  Big changes of mood, etc.

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                  • #10
                    Bi-polar disorder, aka: bipolarism, is the modern term for what used to be called "manic-depression".

                    WebMD bipolar page:

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                    Truely AD or ADHD kids are seldom stupid. In fact many of them are highly intelligent, it's just that they have trouble learning because of their inability to concentrate and/or other specific learning disabilities like dyslexia etc.

                    The problem is far too many kids, mostly boys, with no or other problems get hung with that label because of the stupidity and/or impatience of others.

                    Dr. Mordrid
                    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 26 October 2005, 09:48.
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