Unconventional use of Jaws of life

[Dr Mordrid]

Only in your limited point of view. One is an extension of the other, often caused by poor or no treatment in the early stages. Much like a snowball it soon becomes its own driving engine.

Dr. Mordrid

[ZokesPro]

First: this story doesnt really seem right. All other facts considered, the ability to feel plastic forks through 400 lbs of lard is highly unlikely.~~DukeP~~

There's still skin covering their fat so they can still feel.

But if this story is even half right, I cant help but to disagree.

Why in the world did this HUGE fat pig of a former human waddle into the restroom, when she was clearly not able to fit her fat frame through the opening?

Yes, I do feel sad for the persons that cant even manage their own weight. But come on!! When you weigh THIS much you would have to eat CONSTANTLY to not loose wieght. THis is not just 10 or 20 pounds too much. Its 400!! Maintaining such a weight would require the same dedication to eating that an olympic champion would have to his or her training.

Place her in a cage with plenty of water end some vitamins for a year...

~~DukeP~~

I have an old schoolmate that was highly overwight. We found out recently that she had this tumour that caused her to gain all that weight despite the fact that she was eating healthy and did a lot of excersise. She had it recently removed and now she's slim and beautiful, like any beautiful girl you can imagine. She even showed a pic of her before they removed the tumour and her boyfriend couldn't believe how big she was. She's literally a different person. If only she'd have known earlier, but alas this isn't the type of thing you always think about when your overweight, cause generally people think you just eat too much, which is obviously not always the case.

[Dilitante1]

DukeP chillbox for disageeing with Doc (j/k)

[Gurm]

*sigh*

I've had THIS argument before, but here we go again:

1. It's from the "Weekly World News", which is a fake newspaper on par with "The Onion", only less intelligent.

2. Medical conditions CAN cause drastic weight gain.

3. Nobody can get to 650lbs. without some effort.

C'mon, Doc! We're not talking about a 300lb. woman. We're talking about a SIX HUNDRED POUND LADY. No matter what, calories in has to exceed calories out in order to gain that kind of weight. Didn't we have this discussion a couple of years ago in here? You can't gain 600lbs. of human body fat without consuming a few hundred pounds of SOMETHING. Eat a lot of lettuce and you'll lose weight, regardless of your tumor or medical condition. On a vegetables-only diet it's virtually impossible to gain SIX HUNDRED POUNDS.

However, let's PRESUME the story is true. She was in a FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. Doesn't SOUND like an innocent medical condition. Sounds like a fatty tanking up!

But since it's not true, it hardly matters.

[ZokesPro]

@Gurm: I see the point your making. I have to add that I don't know the specifics of the tumour and why or how she lost her weight very shortly after her operation.

[Mehen]

C'mon, Doc! We're not talking about a 300lb. woman. We're talking about a SIX HUNDRED POUND LADY. No matter what, calories in has to exceed calories out in order to gain that kind of weight. Didn't we have this discussion a couple of years ago in here? You can't gain 600lbs. of human body fat without consuming a few hundred pounds of SOMETHING. Eat a lot of lettuce and you'll lose weight, regardless of your tumor or medical condition. On a vegetables-only diet it's virtually impossible to gain SIX HUNDRED POUNDS.

Maybe she has a photosynthetic tumor that is taking in CO2 and making sugar out of it

[Dr Mordrid]

Or someone could have said pituitary disorder or some other endocrine problem that can easily add 10 lbs every few weeks. The point is that far too many people presume one thing rather than sympathize and be constructive. IMO it's nothing but a way to find a scapegoat in the absense of alternatives that are no longer PC.

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

It would be easier to relegate such cases to medical conditions if American culture was not so saturated with the fast food thing. Before Subway, there weren't many choices.. you pretty much HAD to eat some fatburger or fried chicken or pizza if you went out for a cheap quick lunch. People have so little time, it seems, so it's difficult to find the time before work to make some nice nutritional lunch without loads of fat and carbs. People drink cokes and other sugared stuff. I rejoiced for awhile when they got unsweetened tea at the local 7-11, but the damned corporation cracked down and had it changed to sweetend tea. ****ing scumbags. They think if something doesn't have sugar or nasty fake sweetener, no one will drink it.. but it's that way because those people have TRAINED Americans to be this way. Even juice has high fructose corn syrup in it most of the time. It's fricken nasty, and we have no other choices but high priced water. That's where they really get you.. it takes special effort to eat healthy, and they charge you out the wazoo for the priviledge. Granola bars? $3.00. Candy bars? $0.99. Guess which sells more..

[Jessterw]

Except that the average meal at Subway isn't much better, nevermind that Subway has been around for awhile as well. Long before the media became obsessed with our nation's collective weight.

Sorry, I'm from the south, unsweetened tea is a sin Of course, I can't ever remember having to pay high prices for healthy foods as we got our supply of vegetables and such straight from a garden (not ours, but my grandparents'). I think the problem is initiative and actually taking time out of your day to plan and make healthy meals. Homemade granola bars are easy to make. Quite honestly though, I didn't gain the weight I have from eating out at fast food restaurants; I gained it by being less active than I used to be and by eating lots of pasta, which can make you gain weight even in its healthiest form.

Anyone who might be as large as this woman is said to be, wouldn't get that way from just eating fatty foods. It would have to be a combination of health problems and eating habits that cause it. And let's not forget, weight can be a hereditary thing, so some of us are predisposed to being a larger size than others. Nevermind that just because you're skinny doesn't mean you're not fat.

[Gurm]

Or someone could have said pituitary disorder or some other endocrine problem that can easily add 10 lbs every few weeks. The point is that far too many people presume one thing rather than sympathize and be constructive. IMO it's nothing but a way to find a scapegoat in the absense of alternatives that are no longer PC.

Dr. Mordrid

I would argue the point with you. Seriously, you have to take in calories to make fat. You just HAVE TO. Fat people with tumors can't break the laws of thermodynamics. LOL!

[Tjalfe]

Yes, some suffer for medical abnormalities, but really.. once you are in this category, you have tod be doing some serious eating.. this was never a discussion about people having to drop 50 or 100 lbs, these are people weighing in comparable to a compact car.

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/dimtext/kjn/people/heaviest.htm

[ZokesPro]

I would argue the point with you. Seriously, you have to take in calories to make fat. You just HAVE TO. Fat people with tumors can't break the laws of thermodynamics. LOL!

The girl from my post was fat for a long time.

[Dr Mordrid]

Just to give you an example of how out of whack ones metabolizm can get; some people cannot lose weight even on a 1200 calorie a day diet. Imagine the frustration that can bring on. Now imagine it when someone tells you that you must be eating everything in sight.

Back to that 1200 calorie diet; some would say "well then, drop to 900 calories", which is a definite no-go. 900 calories takes you below the minimum needed just for breathing and organ function, at which time your body shifts into starvation mode. In starvation mode it won't want to give up a bit of its energy stores, fat, and weight loss is near impossible.

More frustrating is that much of the weight in extremely heavy people is in the form of edema (water). They can very often lose half their body weight only to regain it just by drinking plain H2O, which has zero calories.

Obesity is a metabolic disorder, just like diabetes or elevated cholesterol. Very small differences in metabolic rate can, over an extended period of time, manifest as a very large differences in weight.

As such fixing obesity is very difficult and very often impossible when the cause is genetic. Making matters worse is that the constant gain/loss cycle common with dieting is very often worse on someones health than just staying at a stable, if excessive, weight.

The next thing people want heavy people to do is get "the operation"; gastric bypass surgery. Well....3 in 200 (1.5%) gastric bypass patients die of surgical complications. Other side effects;

* 30% develop an iron & B12 deficiency
* 50% of those with an iron deficiency develop anemia.
* 5- 15 & develop a stomal stenosis (stricture between the stomach and the intestines. This can require surgery to correct.
* 5-15 percent develop ulcers
* the surgical staples can pull loose.
* some develop hernias at the surgical site.
* the bypassed stomach can enlarge, causing hiccups and bloating.

People with metabolic obesity need understanding and support, not the childish attitudes espoused by many here....some of who should know better. More evidience that education isn't everything.

Dr. Mordrid

[Tjalfe]

so how come there is so much more of this happening in north america than the rest of the world? ... more genetic disorders or more fast food places?

[ZokesPro]

I imagine with all the extra crap they add to our food also has some unexpected results regards weight gain/loss?