Stanley "Tookie" Williams in death house....

[KvHagedorn]

My solution - get rid of "intentional" death penalty, but make sure the US gov has the power to torture people - if they die along the way... oh well. Simply killing them in the most humane possible way is too good for these people. Wouldn't it be kind of disappointing if they just gave Saddam lethal injection after all he's done? They could make a lot of money charging people to be able to smack him with a hockey stick or something (or shoot pucks at him, that'd be so fun )

Just become a Catholic and read Dante. Then you can just say redemption or damnation is God's purview, execute the bastards quick and be done with it. All we have done is our duty to protect our children and other loved ones from a dangerous psychopath. We have ejected him permanently from society with as little pain as possible. (I kinda differ.. I think the least painful way would not be lethal injection, because surely no one could feel pain if their head was inserted in a pile driver and instantly obliterated. Kinda satisfying for the victim's families as well.. and a graphic deterrent.)

[KvHagedorn]

This is where we differ. I have fortunately realized, after a very long time, that nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. Also, I don't believe so much anymore that things are right and wrong, but that there are different levels of acceptance. What you and I might think is wrong, may be OK for someone else. Who is to decide who is right in this kind of situation? The best we can do is vote for our choice and the popular vote wins. You or I may not agree with the outcome but that is how our system works. We can continue to grumble about why it should be other way or we can accept it, move on and the next time we have a chance to change things, we can take advantage of that opportunity.

This is argument #1 against multiculturalism. If you have to accept every alien culture as being of equal value to your own within your country, then you have to accept such deviant practices as child sacrifice and stoning. "Hey, this works for those people, so who are you and I to say it's wrong?" This level of lunacy is REAL. Some Norwegian professor who had obviously spent too much time away from reality actually stated that it was OK for Arabs to come to their country and rape Norwegian women, because, hey, that's acceptable in Arabia. It's the woman's fault for showing her face. If this is so, it should be equally OK for outraged folk to rape certain Norwegian professors up the ass with a claymore for being such a vile, unmitigated traitor to the innocent daughters of his people.

Should we condem the father because he doesn't live up to your standards? Have you ever thought that maybe he is doing the best job he knows how? Personally, I am trying to learn how to give compassion to each individual for who they are. Everybody has the right to make their own decisions and you or I should give them the dignity to do that. I will be the first to admit that I did the opposite of this my whole life. Always thinking that everyone needs to follow a certain set of rules. My rules. And if they weren't, then they are doing something wrong. Slowly I am trying to get out of that kind of thinking.

Being a good father is its own reward. There is nothing more valuable than the love of one's family. Nothing.

[Mehen]

wouldn't a greater "deterrent" be years and years of torture? What I'm saying is death is lettin' him off easy

[Dr Mordrid]

Depends on how you'd do it. I kinda like the idea of turning them over to the family for whatever method they can come up with, especially in the case of child molester/murderers.

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

Read again.. believe in hell and let him burn for eternity. If he deserves to he will, and no one else has to bear the burden of being a torturer, whether you call it sin or bad karma or just plain secular hardening of the heart with sadism. I kept hearing crap about redemption for this guy, but it is not our place to grant him redemption or not. Redemption is between him and his maker. We can do only what we have the power to do, which is rid this world of his presence. He's a murderer, and worse, a glorifier of murder.. a hero for hate-filled black racists across the country. Without him, would we be burdened with "gangsta rap" and all the hateful aggressive attitude it spreads? He sure helped that attitude get started.

[Mehen]

Read again.. believe in hell and let him burn for eternity.

Forgot about that

[Mcollector]

Well, he's been executed, so end of discussion for him. I guess.