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    Is Iran's Ahmadinejad a messianic medium?

    By Kenneth R. Timmerman

    Friday, December 30, 2005

    With negotiations over Iran's nuclear program looming once again, understanding Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is critically important. Perhaps the best place to start is the moment the world first gained a glimpse of Ahmadinejad's character and hard-line program.

    When Ahmadinejad addressed the United Nations in New York last September, he suddenly felt himself surrounded by light. It wasn't the stage lighting, he said. It was light from heaven. Ahmadinejad related his otherworldly experience in a videotaped meeting with a prominent ayatollah in Tehran. A transcript of his comments and sections of the videotape wound up on a hard-line, pro-regime Web site, baztab.com.

    According to the transcript, Ahmadinejad said a member of his entourage at the UN meeting first told him of the light. "When you began with the words 'In the name of God'... I saw a light coming, surrounding you and protecting you to the end [of the speech]." Ahmadinejad confirmed sensing a similar presence. "I felt it myself, too, that suddenly the atmosphere changed and for 27-28 minutes the leaders could not blink... They had their eyes and ears open for the message from the Islamic Republic," he told Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli.

    Ahmadinejad's "vision" at the UN could be dismissed as political posturing if it weren't for a string of similar statements and actions that suggest he believes that he is destined to bring about the "end times" - the end of the world - by paving the way for the return of the Shiite Muslim messiah. Given that Iran continues to pursue suspect nuclear programs, which could bring the Islamic Republic dangerously close to a weapons capability, a leader with messianic visions is worrying. After all, this is the same man who recently pledged to use Iran's newfound powers to "wipe Israel off the map" and to "destroy America."

    In a November 16 speech in Tehran to senior clerics who had come from all over Iran to hear him, the new president said that the main mission of his government was to "pave the path for the glorious reappearance of Imam Mehdi (may God hasten his reappearance)." The mystical 12th imam of Shiite Islam disappeared as a child in 941, and Twelver Shiites have awaited his reappearance ever since, believing that when he returns he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about the Last Judgment and the end of the world.

    To prepare for the Mehdi, Ahmadinejad said, "Iran should turn into a mighty, advanced, and model Islamic society." Iranians should "refrain from leaning toward any Western school of thought" and abstain from "luxurious lives" and other excesses. Three months into Ahmadinejad's presidency, his views of the 12th imam are being widely discussed in Tehran. According to one rumor, as mayor of Tehran, Ahmadinejad drew up a new city plan for the imam's return.
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    While many Shiite Muslims worship the 12th imam, a previously secret society of powerful clerics, now openly advising the new president, is transforming these messianic beliefs into government policies. Led by Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, who frequently appears with Ahmadinejad, the Hojatieh society is considered by many Shiites as the lunatic fringe. During the early years of the Islamic Revolution, even Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini found their beliefs too extreme and sent them scurrying underground.

    As devotees of the 12th imam, the Hojatieh believe only great tribulation will warrant his coming. Akin in some ways to Lenin's doctrine that worsening social conditions would hasten revolution, the Hojatieh believe that only increased violence, conflict and oppression will bring the Mehdi's return.


    Dr. Mordrid
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 6 January 2006, 02:29.
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  • #2
    ROFLMAO!

    I still stand in wait for the great prophet Zarquon.

    Although the Jartravartvid people of Vintvoodle 7 believe that we were sneezed out the nose of a being known as the great green snorklewacker, and they live in perpetual fear of the day they call "the coming of the great white handkerchief".

    These beliefs are as valid as that Iranian nutbag's.
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    • #3
      I guess they're not in fear that Israel will turn much of Iran into a glass parking lot at the first sign they can carry out his threats.

      Morons one and all.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gurm
        ROFLMAO!

        I still stand in wait for the great prophet Zarquon.

        Although the Jartravartvid people of Vintvoodle 7 believe that we were sneezed out the nose of a being known as the great green snorklewacker, and they live in perpetual fear of the day they call "the coming of the great white handkerchief".

        These beliefs are as valid as that Iranian nutbag's.
        The coming of the messiah and/or rebirth of christ, just as valid.

        ...and just to get this off my chest, i'm sick of being religiosly mugged by Jehova's Witnesses. I DONT CARE WHAT JESUS DID IN THE BIBLE!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by lowlifecat
          The coming of the messiah and/or rebirth of christ, just as valid.

          ...and just to get this off my chest, i'm sick of being religiosly mugged by Jehova's Witnesses. I DONT CARE WHAT JESUS DID IN THE BIBLE!
          Hey next time you're "mugged" by Jehova's Witnesses... remind them that IN THE BIBLE Jesus did lots of fun things. He was a RABBI in the bible. He wore a prayer shawl all the time in public! He drank wine - lots of it - on high holy days! On Purim, he got drunker than drunk. He was, after all, an ORTHODOX JEW!

          Remind them of that. It scares them off, at least temporarily. Trust me.
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          If only life were as easy as you
          I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
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          • #6
            I do believe it was the Great Green Arklsezure

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            • #7
              I think Nowhere found the answer in the other thread.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marshmallowman
                I do believe it was the Great Green Arklsezure
                Yes, you are correct. I'm off my HHGTTG game due to lack of sleep.
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                If only life were as easy as you
                I'm the least you could do, oh yeah
                If only life were as easy as you
                I would still get screwed

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gurm
                  Hey next time you're "mugged" by Jehova's Witnesses... remind them that IN THE BIBLE Jesus did lots of fun things. He was a RABBI in the bible. He wore a prayer shawl all the time in public! He drank wine - lots of it - on high holy days! On Purim, he got drunker than drunk. He was, after all, an ORTHODOX JEW!

                  Remind them of that. It scares them off, at least temporarily. Trust me.
                  BTW, do you know exactly where is that part with Purim and "getting drunker than drunk"? I think I'll be able to have little fun with it

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                  • #10
                    We'll just get the Greeks to kick their asses yet again

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nowhere
                      BTW, do you know exactly where is that part with Purim and "getting drunker than drunk"? I think I'll be able to have little fun with it
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                      • #12
                        Jesus and Purim
                        Most people are unaware of this, but Jesus celebrated the feast of Purim! In John 5, the Lord Jesus is up in Jerusalem for an unnamed feast. Scholars have debated whether the feast was Passover, Purim, Succoth or even Pentecost (Bowman 1971). Some have objected to Purim because it is a "minor" feast and not one of the three "major" pilgrimage festivals (Deut. 16:16). That argument is irrelevant because Jesus also celebrated another "minor" holiday, Hanukkah (John 10:22; Franz 1998:25,26). Chronologically, the only feast that makes sense is Purim in AD 28. The feast of John 5 fell on a Sabbath (5:9). The only feast day to fall on a Sabbath between AD 25 and AD 35 was Purim of AD 28 (Faulstich 1986). The Spirit of God intentionally left out the name of the feast because the Lord's name was deliberately left out of the Book of Esther. In John 5, Jesus healed a man who had an infirmity for 38 years near the Pools of Bethesda (John 5:1-9). It is also the first time in His public ministry that He declared that "God was His Father, making Himself equal with God" (5:18). He also said that He was the "Son of God" (5:25) and the "Son of Man" (5:27).

                        Did Jesus get dressed up in a Purim costume? Did He dress like Mordecai or Ahasuerus? Or perhaps a "modern day" Haman like Herod the Great, Archelaus, Pontius Pilate or some other contemporary anti-Semite? I do not know if He did. Did Jesus get drunk? No, even though He was accused of being a "winebibber" (Matt. 11:19; Luke 7:34). Did He eat the "Haman's ears"? I do not know. But He did observe the commandment to give gifts to the poor. I'm sure He also attended the reading of the Scroll of Esther in one of the 480 synagogues of Jerusalem (PT Megillah 3:1; BT Megillah 3b; Fine 1996:9). Did He stomp His feet and say, "Blessed be Mordecai" or "Cursed be Haman" when their respective names were read? I do not know. Yet I'm sure He contemplated the message of the book of Esther. The theme of the book is this: "God's preservation of His unbelieving people, and the celebration of that event in the feast of Purim" (Shepperson 1975:26).
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