Dad punches "teacher": Right or Wrong?

[Sasq]

Anan, here is the tip, 6 people have called you out.
now is the time to step back, and maybe admit you called it wrong.

And stop doing what you bitch that brian does. were talking about this case, stop generalizing to escape the point made

[Jessterw]

Just as an aside to the constant mention of rape - the girl was never claiming rape; she was claiming sexual molestation, which in this case was just supposed innappropirate physical contact (groping if you will).

So the case was never about anything as serious as rape. So that whole life/death/rape argument goes out the window.

[TransformX]

Anan, here is the tip, 6 people have called you out.
now is the time to step back, and maybe admit you called it wrong.

And stop doing what you bitch that brian does. were talking about this case, stop generalizing to escape the point made

Sorry, can't do. As I said, even in the case discussed, I can't blame the man. Maybe cause I'm slightly hot headed myself. I don't think I'd punch him, I'd do other things, but then again, in a heated argument, I might punch him. In this case, I'm not much better than this father and no, I'm not ashamed of it either.

edit: you can label me as being violent, being an ass, whatever. That's me.

[Sasq]

Sorry, can't do. As I said, even in the case discussed, I can't blame the man. Maybe cause I'm slightly hot headed myself. I don't think I'd punch him, I'd do other things, but then again, in a heated argument, I might punch him. In this case, I'm not much better than this father and no, I'm not ashamed of it either.

edit: you can label me as being violent, being an ass, whatever. That's me.

then that shows, and sorry if this offends you, seriously consider paternity before you become a father.

[TransformX]

Why, because I might be overprotective? Still much better than all those neglective and abusive parents out there.

[Sasq]

no, because you will damage your children

[TransformX]

Riiight... Sorry, real life around me taught me some lessons that might be uncompatible with the reality in another country, but at least I know how to swim in my pond.

I have a lawyer friend to give me legal advice and keep me level headed if needed, I have enough knowledge in just how much the law and authorities here cover and how much (a lot) slips inbetween and how much one has to do for himself and his own if he wants to keep them from being harmed.
Maybe your pond is different, but trust me, I know my pond well enough.
You know what, maybe a few years in Israel and serving in the army put me in a different state of mind from most of you here, but I sure as hell know right from wrong and what needs to be done to protect one's self and family at least around here.

[Sasq]

and this whole case is not in your pond.
you would happily teach your children that violence is the way? punch first, not even bother to question later?
surely you have read the follow up report, hell you got the TA's name from it.

unrelated to this thread, but next time you start saying the PA is all to blame, remind me to question that assumption. seeing as your answer is to thump first, not even bother to work out the real story later.

edit, and if your going to qualify your response, at least leave an edited comment

[Tjalfe]

Excuse me while I ignore you.

That is fine, you also ignored the questions i wrote, which you probably found it hard to answer.

This was a thread about whether or not the father was wrong in doing what he did. He was, end of story.

[TransformX]

and this whole case is not in your pond.
you would happily teach your children that violence is the way? punch first, not even bother to question later?

Just for example -
Rule says: If another kid harms you, report him and let the authorities (school or whatever) deal with it, do NOT hit back.
Reality: Been there, done that, no good came from it.

Reason: A violent kid comes from a violent backround which support and condones his behaviour. The system can't/won't/whatever deal with it and let you find your way around it. Practically punishing the victim. That's why (in the extreme case) girls here are usually afraid to complain about rape. They'll suffer a humiliating interrogation about the rape - reliving it, suffer a humiliating trial, in which the rapist lawyer will do his best to dig into the poor girl's life and show she's some kind of a slut when it has nothing to do with the trial and in the end, the rapist will get next to nothing, so why bother?
Back to my example, if someone harms you or threatens to harm you, better DEAL with it and not wait on the authorities.

surely you have read the follow up report, hell you got the TA's name from it.

unrelated to this thread, but next time you start saying the PA is all to blame, remind me to question that assumption. seeing as your answer is to thump first, not even bother to work out the real story later.

Easy: 9 year-old Palestyinan girl was shot dead near a military base. That's all the FACTS anyone has. Now go check why she was so close to it, who sent her etc. Why was she shot dead? She was carrying something unidentified and wouldn't stop her approach.

This night the border patrol chased and captured people passing the border between Sinai and Israel. When caught up, they were found to be a 30 something year old black woman, a year and a half old baby in her arms and her 5 yo son who escaped Darfur in Sudan and seeked refuge in Israel. They went through Egypt, where if caught, according to their words, they'd be tortured. They also claim that 1000 black christians (as themselves) are being murdered there every day. Those are the facts I have, you decide who's to blame.

Hamas, the democratically (I'm not being cynical here) claimed that they will not rest their weapons, since the weapons and their resistance to the Israeli occupation are the base to their existance. So the PA is now governed by an armed organization which, like Iran cals for the destruction of Israel, or how they call it - liberate Palesting from the (jordan) river to the sea. Again just quotes and facts, make of it what you want.

edit, and if your going to qualify your response, at least leave an edited comment

Will do.

[TransformX]

Addenum to OT PA issue, Since Hamas was elected, you might want to check this thread:
Hamas + AQ + Hezbollah in Columbia....

[Sasq]

great, wonderful.
however we're talking about a situation in the USA, where from as far as I can see, the school followed protocol.

yet, you still justify what the father did, say you would probably do the same.
again I say, seriously consider children before you have them.

your israel example are pointless in this thread, they have no bearing on this thread and this situation.
remember where you said you would accept responability for being wrong, I am seeing no indication you are capable of doing so. do not set that example for your children when you finally have them.

[TransformX]

great, wonderful.
however we're talking about a situation in the USA, where from as far as I can see, the school followed protocol.

yet, you still justify what the father did, say you would probably do the same.
again I say, seriously consider children before you have them.

I said, like some others, that in my pov, even though the father did something wrong, I can't really blame him for being hot headed and I might have done the same. I'd plea guilty if/when brought before the court of law. You drive faster than the speed limits, you get a ticket, you pay it. If you cause an accident, that's a different story, and you'll pay for it too. As simple as that. Knowing it, you still drive over the speed limit, at least I do.

your israel example are pointless in this thread, they have no bearing on this thread and this situation.

Why not? Do you know the area where it happened? Do you know how many cases of rapes and child molesting they have in the news there? I was asked for my opinion about the father and while it might not be very positive, for this action I don't find him negative either.

EDIT: As you said, it's the U.S, not Israel. So now I find the father VERY positive for not bringing a gun to school and shooting the TA on the spot. Since so many here think that's the American way, that father seems VERY cool headed to me.

remember where you said you would accept responability for being wrong, I am seeing no indication you are capable of doing so. do not set that example for your children when you finally have them.

I have a wallet, I pay my parking/speeding fines. I call that accepting responsibility, don't you?

[Sasq]

I said, like some others, that in my pov, even though the father did something wrong, I can't really blame him for being hot headed and I might have done the same. I'd plea guilty if/when brought before the court of law. You drive faster than the speed limits, you get a ticket, you pay it. If you cause an accident, that's a different story, and you'll pay for it too. As simple as that. Knowing it, you still drive over the speed limit, at least I do.

well thanks for clearing that up, we now know you don't care how you affect other peoples lives, as long as you can do what you want, see above comment about having children and teaching them values.

Why not? Do you know the area where it happened? Do you know how many cases of rapes and child molesting they have in the news there? I was asked for my opinion about the father and while it might not be very positive, for this action I don't find him negative either.

Yes I do, I have discussed the area with JesterzWild indepth, as he grew up there.
The father would appear to be the local equivilent of a redneck.

I have a wallet, I pay my parking/speeding fines. I call that accepting responsibility, don't you?

great, so money covers destorying someones life, again read above comment about having children and thinking seriously before doing so.

this reply is to un unedited post.

[TransformX]

well thanks for clearing that up, we now know you don't care how you affect other peoples lives, as long as you can do what you want, see above comment about having children and teaching them values.

So I suppose you never drive above speed limits, never park where you shouldn't etc. etc. etc. I guess you're a saint then. Most people here aren't and I don't pretend to be one either.
If we were all saints, we'd have no need for lawyers.

Yes I do, I have discussed the area with JesterzWild indepth, as he grew up there.
The father would appear to be the local equivilent of a redneck.

Well, see my edit to my last post, we're all lucky he didn't bring a gun.

great, so money covers destorying someoes life, again read above comment about having children and thinking seriously before doing so.

Didn't destroy anyone's life (yet) and paid all my debts, including 3 years in the army. We know you're a saint already, but I wonder how are the rest of us.