'Grease' too immoral for Missouri town

[schmosef]

schmo, yeah, you're correct, but I didn't meant to go into such details - simply some group which thinks has monopoly for what should be appropriate and other not disagreeing much...yep, not so extreme, but such things can start innocently.

And BTW, aren't scientologists prohibited to make real friends with non-believers?

See, someone like Jammrock can quite comfortably afford to sit back and say that those Christians don't speak for him. He can even get away with not say anything at all.

He can be sure in his knowledge that no one can legitimately confuse his Christianity with their Christianity because the tenants of his deconstructed version are well established.

He doesn't need to ensure that there's no confusion because someone has already done that for him.

No one's done that for the "moderate" Muslims that we've been promised are ubiquitous.

That's why when you ask if the situation in this thread differs much from what is going on in the Islamic World, I have to say "yes, there's an enourmous difference!"

[Nowhere]

So you aren't crying anymore for lack of outrage in muslim world in response to certain things? (at least not in the same way...seeing that "the majority" can't say much without "legally" getting into trouble)

[schmosef]

lol!

I don't know if I've ever decried the lack of Muslim outrage in the Islamic world in the sense that I actually expected anything better.

I've certainly pointed it out as an example of hypocrisy and lies that spew from Islamic apologists.

I think that I've been pretty consistent in saying that a Koranic based refutation of the Jihadist ideology is a required first step for any real progress on issues of pluralism and mutual recognition and respect. It's even required for peace with Israel because the Koran says that they aren't allowed to stop fighting for the recovery of any land that was once Muslim--they still talk about the day that they'll re-conquer Spain!

For a long time I believed it when people said that the trouble was with people who misinterpret the Koran. I remember that there was a thread here where Brian said that Islam adopted all the main philosophies of Christianity and that "turn the other cheek" was included so any Muslim that reacts to provocation with violence is not really following the Koran. At the time I didn't know how to respond. So I went and bought a Koran and read it for myself.

Boy was I shocked! This is a book that contains incitement to violence against non-believers on almost every page. It's full of these weird contradictions too! It says "leave the sinners for Allah to deal with" in some places (implying that they should be left alone). Then it says that "Allah puts the sinners into the hands of truly faithful Muslims so that His justice may be wrought" in other places (implying that it's a Muslim obligation to wage war against sinners).

The last thing the Koran is is peaceful. That's not a bash, it's true. It's also true that the Torah isn't peaceful! But in Judaism we have deconstruction. In Islam we do not.

The confusion comes from people like you and me, who have a long standing tradition of deconstructionism, reading the Koran and just automatically ignoring the incitement to violence.

We think that it's supposed to be ignored. And that's just not the case.

[Dr Mordrid]

Hey, whether or not it's a cult really depends on your point of view, now doesn't it?

IMO your particular brand of mindless bigotry is the cult.

There are people in every single organization, religious and otherwise, that have a skewed perception of what their groups real teachings are. Projecting their hairbrained misinterpretations of scripture onto everyone else in said group is your speciality.

You think KvH is out of whack? Look in a mirror moron.

As for Grease: I love it, but can fully understand that the sexual themes therein are not everyones cup of tea....especially for a high school production. Such edits are done all the time in high school plays, and not just in fleabag towns either. Changes for violence, changes for sexual content etc. etc. Example: the costumes & lyrics in some of Chicao's production numbers.

Dr. Mordrid

[schmosef]

IMO your particular brand of mindless bigotry is the cult.

There are people in every single organization, religious and otherwise, that have a skewed perception of what their groups real teachings are. Projecting their hairbrained misinterpretations of scripture onto everyone else in said group is your speciality.

You think KvH is out of whack? Look in a mirror moron.

As for Grease: I love it, but can fully understand that the sexual themes therein are not everyones cup of tea....especially for a high school production. Such edits are done all the time in high school plays, and not just in fleabag towns either. Changes for violence, changes for sexual content etc. etc. Example: the costumes & lyrics in some of Chicao's production numbers.

Dr. Mordrid

Doc obviously doesn't subscribe to the philosophy of "turn the other cheek".

Deconstructionism at work.

[Dr Mordrid]

Just get tired of non-thinkers trying to label all Christians with the same old bs.

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

I love a scene from some movie where some thug tests a Christian (obviously a "stupid" southerner) by sucker punching him and then saying something like "so what does your good book tell you about that?"
Christian responds: "It says to turn the other cheek." which he does.
Thug hits him again. "so what does your good book tell you now?"
Christian: "The good book don't say nothing after that." And he knocks out the thug.

[KRSESQ]

You guys should know better than to let him light you up like that. You know he's just trying to get a rise out of you.

Gurm, your position as troll #1 is secure.

Kevin

[TransformX]

Frankly, I think Grease is bleh, morality or not, religion or not, but that's just me.
Back on topic though, you can't make everyone happy, if you live in Salem by choice, face the concenquences.

[Jessterw]

Same thing with Speedy Gonzales (which is popular in Latin America but banned here.)

Banned here? Maybe in Texas, but I've seen it relatively recently on one of the cartoon channels here.

As for Grease: I love it, but can fully understand that the sexual themes therein are not everyones cup of tea....especially for a high school production. Such edits are done all the time in high school plays, and not just in fleabag towns either. Changes for violence, changes for sexual content etc. etc. Example: the costumes & lyrics in some of Chicao's production numbers.

It's not the edits that were done, it's that that even after the editing to make the movie appropriate for a high school production, there were still some that found it "immoral". A production of 'The Crucible' has be shelved and the teacher in charge may not have her contract renewed. Note that none of the administrators who approved the production have been threatened with such.

[Dr Mordrid]

Those still concerned about the content may be reacting to subject matter that cannot be edited as they are central themes, notably Rizzo's possible pregnancy. The vast majority of Christians wouldn't have a problem with it, and indeed are Grease fans, but there are those even in the non-religious community that would.

Can't lay all sexual piety on the Christians doorstep as many Jews and those of other (or no) faiths feel the same way. Therein lay the ignorance of those who try to do so.

Dr. Mordrid

[Gurm]

My point, trollish or not, is that right now there are two great religions attempting to convert the entire world. One is attempting to do so by force, fear, and terror. The other by legislating their god into law.

Both are equally zealous and intolerant, but one is more violent.

We're LUCKY that this group is Christian in nature and not Islamic - otherwise this already would have devolved into a mob of angry Muslims firebombing John Travolta's house.

But should we, as REASONABLE PEOPLE of every stripe, sit idly by and say "hehe, those whacky extremists"?

Fundamentalist Christianity can be just as dangerous as fundamentalist Islam. It's where we get abortion clinic killers, after all.

So my point, which I make through sardonic remarks, is that we should be just as wary and just as UNACCEPTING of extremist Christian values as we are of extremist Muslim values. But you don't see the Bush administration bombing the Bible Belt, now do you?

[TnT]

My point, trollish or not, is that right now there are two great religions attempting to convert the entire world. One is attempting to do so by force, fear, and terror. The other by legislating their god into law.

Both are equally zealous and intolerant, but one is more violent.

We're LUCKY that this group is Christian in nature and not Islamic - otherwise this already would have devolved into a mob of angry Muslims firebombing John Travolta's house.

But should we, as REASONABLE PEOPLE of every stripe, sit idly by and say "hehe, those whacky extremists"?

Fundamentalist Christianity can be just as dangerous as fundamentalist Islam. It's where we get abortion clinic killers, after all.

So my point, which I make through sardonic remarks, is that we should be just as wary and just as UNACCEPTING of extremist Christian values as we are of extremist Muslim values. But you don't see the Bush administration bombing the Bible Belt, now do you?

Not too long ago US terrorists were those militia dudes.

[Gurm]

Not too long ago US terrorists were those militia dudes.

Well, yeah. Before the war on terror started, whenever the christian groups got too crazy, the ATF would surround them and have a standoff/shootout.

I MISS THAT. We need to surround that town and have a standoff. LOL!

[KvHagedorn]

I do kinda question that teacher's judgement in selecting plays. Why "Grease" and "The Crucible?" Maybe she has an agenda of her own.. like Gurm.