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  • "Pandora and Last.fm: Nature vs. Nurture in Music Recommenders"

    http://www.stevekrause.org/steve_kra...a_and_las.html (in the article there are also links to few other, similar).
    Very good article presenting both services, worth reading IMHO.


    (even if personally I don't totally agree with it's outcome:
    - Pandora might be good for its "target market" area, but for me it turned out not very usefull...usually it either gives me obvious recommendations, or doesn't know the query/artist at all - I suppose the reasons are:
    1. the US/UK artists with which I'm familiar are generally widely known
    2. Other artists (mostly local) I'm familiar with are generally not known at all outside (just look at my last.fm profile...not many from top artists look familiar to you, I guess?)
    OTOH last.fm not only has music of all tastes...it actually gets stronger when more people from different parts of the world are using it. How Pandora with it's manual classification by their stuff can please "local markets"?
    And yes, last.fm recommendations are sometimes "weird", but I like it that way - usually I like them, or at least I'm neutral, and more often than not it lets me discover new music. In the rare occasion I don't like it - I click "don't recommend this again", which also influneces other future recommendations.
    - Also I like the thing that it's "under the radar" - the profile is built even if I don't care at the moment about last.fm, simply from music on HDD...and this can be usefull not only for other people from last.fm, but also for me , to see what I listen to most really.
    - Following the topic of "other people", I very much like its social qualities... After all, music was most probably the thing that tied societies together long before advent of modern language. Also, in my experience, my music tastes/library were usually widened when I've met new people (you gotta love the tag line "Last.fm uses its giant computer brain to find the latest and greatest things for you to listen, read, and even talk to, day in and day out." )
    )
    Last edited by Nowhere; 9 April 2006, 10:12.

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    BTW, when you have acquired masses of mp3 files and want to properly tag them, check out MusicBrainz Picard (also those who didn't like the old MB tagger should have a look at Picard), preferably the latest Beta with acoustic fingerprinting. It tries to automatically guess the song you throw at it, and if it succeeds, tags the whole Album with the correct information. If it can't guess the song, you can tell it what song it is and it will then proceed to tag the whole album. I tagged thousands of files in just a few hours.
    There's an Opera in my macbook.

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    • #3
      Too bad its interface is kinda...still bad (IMHO). From screens three solutions (Amarok and some other standalone, forgot the name, one for KDE and one for Gnome) look much more friendly...might try them soon.

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      • #4
        Once you get the hang of it, it works quite well - though they admit the interface is still far from perfect, and welcome constructive criticism.

        EDIT: The thing about Picard is not that tagging of single files will become easier, but once one file is recognized, the whole album gets tagged, which saves lots of time.
        Last edited by az; 9 April 2006, 11:02.
        There's an Opera in my macbook.

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        • #5
          Thing is - I've had to look at FAQ/manual to start really using it. I don't even remember when was the previous time I've had to do that... (if ever!)

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          • #6
            Heh, yeah. It's still beta (and they do point you to some short first steps page when you download it)
            There's an Opera in my macbook.

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            • #7
              Allright, so I finally started updating my profile on last.fm rather regularly (waiting untill it grows to few thousand songs than bringing it to cafe to upload). And I must say that recommendation system there is really something - out of 50 or so weekly recommendations, I always like/can like every one of them - EVEN IF I WOULDN'T EVER DARE TO LISTEN TO SOME/ADMIT TO LISTENING IT. And the neighbour aspect is really nice too...

              PS. Schmosef, perhaps that Usher reccomendation wasn't that much off after all, you just wouldn't admit it?

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              • #8
                Um, no.
                P.S. You've been Spanked!

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                • #9
                  Yeah, well, seriously - that's how it works; apparently there is non-trivial number of people that listen to things you listen to and...Usher.

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