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  • Frankenstein (AT&T) is back.

    I have a 36 year hatred of this company, and it's back to f*ckup the internet.
    http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/20...oll/index.html
    (you have to watch an ad to see it, but it is scary)

    April 17, 2006 | To say that AT&T was once the nation's largest phone company is a bit like describing the Pentagon as America's leading purchaser of guns and bullets. Until its government-imposed dissolution in 1984, AT&T, which provided a dial tone to the vast majority of Americans, enjoyed a market dominance unlike that of any corporation in modern history, rivaling only state monopolies -- think of the Soviet airline or the British East India Tea Company -- in size and scope. In commercials, the company encouraged us to reach out and touch someone; the reality was that for much of the 20th century, you had no choice but to let AT&T touch your loved ones for you.

    Now -- after a series of acquisitions and re-acquisitions so tangled it would take Herodotus to adequately chronicle them -- AT&T is back, it's big, and according to consumer advocates and some of the nation's largest technology companies, AT&T wants to take over the Internet.

    The critics -- including Apple, Amazon, eBay, Google, Microsoft and Yahoo -- point out that AT&T, along with Verizon and Comcast, its main rivals in the telecom business, will dominate the U.S. market for residential high-speed Internet service for the foreseeable future. Currently, that market is worth $20 billion, and according to the Federal Communications Commission, the major "incumbent" phone and cable companies -- such as AT&T -- control 98 percent of the business. Telecom industry critics say that these giants gained their power through years of deregulation and lax government oversight. Now many fear that the phone and cable firms, with their enormous market power, will hold enormous sway over what Americans do online.

    Specifically, AT&T has hinted that it plans to charge Web companies a kind of toll to send data at the highest speeds down DSL lines into its subscribers' homes. The plan would make AT&T a gatekeeper of media in your home. Under the proposal, the tens of millions of people who get their Internet service from AT&T might only be able to access heavy-bandwidth applications -- such as audio, video and Internet phone service -- from the companies that have paid AT&T a fee. Meanwhile, firms that don't pay -- perhaps Google, Yahoo, Skype, YouTube, Salon, or anyone else -- would be forced to use a smaller and slower section of the AT&T network, what Internet pioneer Vint Cerf calls a "dirt road" on the Internet. AT&T's idea, its critics say, would shrink the vast playground of the Internet into something resembling the corporate strip mall of cable TV.


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    Chuck
    秋音的爸爸

  • #2
    Can they do that? Better question is will there be any resistance against this kind of action?
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    • #3
      it's discussion of a tiered internet again.....stupid idea imho........MA BELL was broke up for a reason,(to allow competition) and now 20-odd years later they are back again and in the place to block competiton again

      our tax dollars and politicians have failed the little guy yet again cuz you KNOW the costs witll be passed down to the customer :\
      Better to let one think you are a fool, than speak and prove it


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      • #4
        Originally posted by ZokesPro
        Can they do that?
        AT&T = God until they were broken up, without a specific law, they can and will.
        Chuck
        秋音的爸爸

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        • #5
          They will be worse now than they were then. When they were the monopoly, they actually spent some of their boon on infrastructure. The phones back then were built like a tank. I will bet that a lot of that corporate culture for doing things right has been stripped away now.

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          • #6
            Well given much of AT&T's management is what once was SBC (Southwestern Bell), I wouldn't say it looks good. There is absolutely no dedication to the customer base. SBC has been long fighting for absolute control over every last inch of their infrastructure and anyone/thing that uses it. No surprise that the "new" AT&T is continuing with it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by KvHagedorn
              They will be worse now than they were then. When they were the monopoly, they actually spent some of their boon on infrastructure. The phones back then were built like a tank.
              Problem with them tanks was, however, that for to many people it was a far to expensive device. Had there been competition, there'd been alternatives that were cheaper, albeit not tanks.

              Over here at least it turned out we did not need tanks for phones.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by cjolley
                AT&T = God until they were broken up, without a specific law, they can and will.
                I think the decision to break m up at the time was a good one. I don;t think they'll make the same decision again given that the US left MS alone as well. With wireless (and cable?) expanding at the rate it is, I am not so sure AT&T wil be that much of a monopolist again anyway.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Umfriend
                  I think the decision to break m up at the time was a good one. I don;t think they'll make the same decision again given that the US left MS alone as well. With wireless (and cable?) expanding at the rate it is, I am not so sure AT&T wil be that much of a monopolist again anyway.
                  They are colluding with Comcast and Verizon on it.
                  And I don't mean that they should be broken up.
                  they should just be required to treat all traffic the equaly.
                  Chuck
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cjolley
                    They are colluding with Comcast and Verizon on it.
                    IIRC, there was no such competition at the time. Collisions are messy, tend to break up and, well, it's harder to maintain under legal scrutiny. Collision is still a crime, no?
                    And I don't mean that they should be broken up.
                    they should just be required to treat all traffic the equaly.
                    Ah yes, but that prevents you form reaping all those monopoly profits, doesn't it? IMO, it is usually better to have competition than a regulated monopolist. Cases where this may not be applicable are so called natural monopolies and I doubt AT&T is such a one.
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                    • #11
                      Since SBC changed their name to AT&T, I want to get out of my land line phone simply because I hate giving this company money. They are evil.
                      Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and slide on the ice.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cjolley
                        They are colluding with Comcast and Verizon on it.
                        And I don't mean that they should be broken up.
                        they should just be required to treat all traffic the equaly.
                        As most nations drew an anti-trust law and companies evolved to evade it, so they should draw a law for oligopolistic tendencies, with adequate punishment (fines, penal investigation...)

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                        • #13
                          Actually, anti-trust laws in the EU (and I am pretty confident this goes or the US as well) are perfectly able and have been used to deal with oligopolistic collusion as well. These are not about one company-monopoly situations only.
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                          • #14
                            Of course the problem here is not that they sell content, it is that they sell content and own the pipe it comes in on.
                            This creates a huge incentive to monitize the relationship between the two unrelated lines of business: network traffic provision, and content provision.
                            They will do this by redefining the network, ie the internet.

                            There are usually only two options for high speed internet provisioning for the consumer: one co that provides cable, and one that provides dsl.
                            But once you have picked one the provider has a verticle monopoly on content and provisioning.
                            The economic incentives to explote that are too great to resist unless regulations prevent it.
                            At this time there are no regulations, and it it going to be exploited if they are not put into place.
                            Chuck
                            秋音的爸爸

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ZokesPro
                              Can they do that? Better question is will there be any resistance against this kind of action?
                              Maybe. A lot will depend on how much AT&T will control, and if their counterparts follow along. AT&T does not have the controling interest in the US internet backbone ... very fortunately. They gain most of their control by buying out ... which one was it? ... whoever bought MCI Worldcom, who had a big chunk of the backbone.

                              Fortunately, the majority of the Internet backbone is run my Sprint Nextel (woo hoo!), level3, Savvis, Time Warner, and a few others. So the ONLY way AT&T will pull it off is if everyone else gets involved (which would price fixing, and that's a different ballgame). If AT&T were to do it without others jumping on board, the following would happen:

                              1) People realize that AT&T is screwing them because free use sites such as eBay, Google, and Skype, refuse to pay AT&T.

                              2) People complain to AT&T, who tells people to complain to eBay for not paying their "dtuies" (sounds very mafia ... "you'z wants to uses my network, you'z gots to pay the fee.")

                              3) People complain to nearest geek and or neighbor who figured out they can get Comcast or Time Warner (or local cable internet) for less than AT&T DSL AND get ungoverned speeds, and then can use VoIP for phone from VOnage or Broadvoice ...

                              4) AT&T realized they're just a bunch of greedy $*!%& and cancels plans, because everyone is jumping ship.

                              Plus, there are several "wireless broadband" solutions coming down the pipe that will make AT&T's last mile copper no longer such a precious commodity. Of course, working for a certian wireless telecom, I certianly hope AT&T does this. After people start bailing from AT&T and joining my company, my stocks will sore!

                              Jammrock
                              “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                              –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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