UPDATE on "Pffftttt...just shoot 'em"

[Dr Mordrid]

Review;

Richard Davis and Dena Riley are the couple who videotaped their rape/murder of a woman then ran with a 5 year old girl in tow, who they beat and raped. The girl turned out to be Davis' niece.

Kansas City resident Sherry Ballew fears that her daughter might also have fallen victim to the pair after seeing a still picture taken from the videotape of who she says is her daughter, Michelle Ricci. Ballew hasn't seen her 36-year-old daughter since a few days after Ricci met Davis and Riley.

UPDATE:

The body of Michelle Ricci was found in a location given up during interviews of the suspects. Another body has been found that is believed to be another of their victims.

The body-hunt continues.

Richard Davis and Dena Riley were arraigned today and pled "Not Guilty"

Dr. Mordrid

[Jammrock]

sad sad world we live in. or maybe it's just the same as always and we just didn't know it. discuss.

[Dr Mordrid]

In some cases it's the same, in others worse. Certainly 24/7 news cycles make whatever is there more apparent.

In terms of sexual predators like this it's probably always been a similar percentage of the whole, but with >population the sheer proliferation is disturbing. What's really disturbing to me is that the rate of sexual predation in females seems to be taking off.

Dr. Mordrid

[Jessterw]

I think it might be an extension of the same thing. As women have become more liberated and as they have moved from the traditional role of housewife/homemaker, they have become easier targets for suspicion, thus those who are guilty are caught more often. Surely there are other factors and the aforementioned shouldn't be used as a reason for women to go back to those traditional roles.

But the rates of sexual predation are definitely cause to be uneasy. It's also sadly turning us into a slightly paranoid society when it comes to adult interaction with children. A paranoia that often doesn't seem to do us any good.

It all just turns my stomach, especially with three kids, two of which are girls, one of who's almost unbiased look on life makes her all the more susceptible to such things.

[Dr Mordrid]

Fortunately our daughter, Sabrina...now an adult, was a smart & tough cookie. Anyone trying that game on her would likely get their head handed to them mounted on a plaque

Sabrina story #1:

Older brother Erik (8 at the time) was on the ground getting beat up by a 12 year old. Sabrina, then 6, came up behind the jerk and clubbed him over the head with a rock. No serious damage, but the kid was in no mood for fighting.

The schools principal almost gave her a medal. Seems the kid was constantly in trouble for beating kids up and the principal was just waiting for someone to teach him a lesson. Since the "teacher" was a 6 year old girl the kids rep was totally shot. Problem with kid fixed.

Sabrina story #2:

When she was 13 and "blooming" a particularly nasty kid, famous for his big mouth, teased her once too often about how big her chest was. She shoved his face into a locker, informing him that if he said anything like that again she was going to "pop-rivet your d*ck to the locker".

No problems after that encounter.



Dr. Mordrid

[Jessterw]

Good deal. I remember when I was in 6th grade, my little sis' had just started going to school with me. Walking home one day some fellow classmates of mine started messing with her and I jumped in on them. Problem being there were four of them. I got a nice pummeling, but my sister racked two of them where it counts.

Melody, our eldest, on the other hand, doesn't know a stranger and she likely wouldn't be able to put up enough of a fight to fend off anyone once she realized something was wrong. For reference, she's 9 and is smaller than our middle child, Dillan, who's 7. Due to her having Down Syndrome, she's also between 3 and 6 years old mentally (it varies for different areas).

Our youngest, Jillian, on the other hand, is likely not to let anyone get the upper hand on her, and she's just a year old now

[KvHagedorn]

In some cases it's the same, in others worse. Certainly 24/7 news cycles make whatever is there more apparent.

In terms of sexual predators like this it's probably always been a similar percentage of the whole, but with >population the sheer proliferation is disturbing. What's really disturbing to me is that the rate of sexual predation in females seems to be taking off.

Dr. Mordrid

Once again, this is exactly the type of frothing-at-the-mouth that dilutes the meaning of the term. Sure, there are going to be more "sexual predators" if you make the meaning broad enough. You, Doc, could be termed a sexual predator for coming up behind your wife and nibbling her ear. The news is typically crazed about the topic.. it will gild or manufacture any story which will attract attention and outrage. Reason #1 why kids are fat now is paranoid parents who envision some sleazy pervert on every corner who will kidnap, rape, and murder their child, so they are not allowed outside to play. Again, if we were able to share any sort of communal spirit in this country, this would not be happening. In the days when you knew your neighbors, the fear of the unknown was unknown. Now we have a few stories, many of which have been exaggerated in their severity, against a population of 300+ million, and suddenly kids are kept inside to play video games to the neglect of real social interaction, and everyone is so paranoid, most people will refuse to even speak to a child much less show any affection in any form.. kids end up with excess energy and the damned teachers insist they be drugged.. If you think things are messed up now, just wait until these poor deranged products of our paranoia grow up and start running the place. No affection or interaction with others = people who grow up to really BE the sort of monsters you are talking about.

I really want these people who actually rape and murder women/girls (or anyone else for that matter) to be executed, but with this sort of hysteria, you will be executing EVERYBODY before long. Get a ****ing grip.

[KvHagedorn]

Here's someone that our twisted society of today might want to call a "sexual predator." I call him a normal human being. You might have seen him portrayed on an extremely family-oriented TV show from the 70s. The reality was that he was apparently an exceptionally honorable and good man, which inspired the love of an intelligent girl who was under 18 at the time. Guess what.. this sort of thing is NORMAL. Girls didn't grow up faster back then; people just had more sense. And it was not kosher to have sex before marriage. Laura and Almanzo began "courting" when she was 15 and he 25.

At about the same time, another couple met and an affectionate friendship would develop into love and marriage. Here is the "sexual predator" who fell in love with an underage girl (though again, impropriety was out of the question) Even the most biased of historians can find almost nothing bad to say about this man.. he was extremely decent and honorable in every way.. a comment I remember quoted by Robert Massie in his book Dreadnought was from a letter by his brother-in-law Edward VII to the latter's son (later George V) "Try, my dear Georgy, never to forget uncle Fritz. He was one of the finest and noblest characters ever known. If he had a fault he was too good for this world."

These men who were the pinnacle of decency, you would have labled "pedophiles" at the least and "predators" at your worst, because both of them fell in love with underage females. It doesn't seem to matter to most twisted people today that they did not consummate the relationships until they were married and their wives were over 18. They were attracted to teen girls, so they must have been sick, evil pedophiles. News flash to you and all contemporary witch-hunters: this is NORMAL.. it was normal then, it's normal now, and it always will be normal for people to fall in love across this arbitrary 18 year barrier, even if the man is 25 and the girl 15. This age difference does not preclude the man respecting the person of his beloved and abstaining from intercourse until marriage.

[Dr Mordrid]

Using the marriages of royals as a moral signpost is a bit risky KvH.

Yes, 100 years ago and before marrying girls off as soon as they bled was a common practice. Most people only lived to be 45-50 at the time, which made early marriage common among the lower classes, and women often died in childbirth. That plus early marriage of females was used to politically unite royal houses and generate heirs.

Now things are different. Women are now valued differently and not generally looked upon as tools for political unification or baby machines.

The idea that as a general principle kids are fat because parents hole them inside to protect them from predators is more than simplistic. Kids stay inside because of the Nintendo/Playstation/X-BOX culture, not to mention the internet.

Even if parents have this fear there is an easy fix: go to the playground with them. You know....be a parent. See it a lot these days.

I also see a lot of sexual predators around. Checking Michigans sex offender website there are over 200 just in our zip code (32,000 people), 2 of which are on our street. Now tell me; is printing their pictures out and showing them to our kid as people to be avoided paranoid or good parenting?

BTW: these aren't people convicted of flashing or stuff like that. One is a convicted homosexual rapist and the other was convicted of molestation. Think this can be avoided? Nope....there are literally hunreds in every small city you bother to check, and thank God Michigan lets parents do so.

As for being a "sexual predator" for nibbling your wifes ear, that's a bit over the top. IF you did that and your marriage was in dissoution then yes, it could be considered assault but not sexual predation. I'd get into more trouble for NOT nibbling on Margies ear

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

I knew you would say something about the "times" being different, and I tried to head that off, but seriously, a person's deeper feelings are not dictated by the times one lives in. Plenty of 15 year old girls are still attracted to 25 yo men now, and vice versa. There is nothing wrong with this if people behave themselves until the younger person is 18, but the attraction is normal and nothing is indecent about it. I picked that particular royal couple because their marriage was based upon love by all accounts. Love is a complicated thing.. lust is only a component.. there must also be mutual respect, and this was possible for these people and others.

Liberals are fond of citing exceptions to the norm of society, but I'm really being honest here. This IS the norm. A pleasing female form is no less pleasing because she's 15 or 16, and that girl might even be in love with an older guy.. but there's nothing wrong with this if they wait until marriage or until she's 18. "Courting," that is, seeing one another without screwing each other's brains out, isn't wrong under these circumstances. It's not about women being "devalued" at that point in time, either.. imagine Doc quoting liberal feminist propaganda..

[Jammrock]

Doc, reminds me of my family. My sisters never got a break. Oldest brother was called the hulk (because he painted himself green, put on some torn up clothes and went to school on Halloween as the hulk ... and looked the part), and I was the strongest kid in school starting my Junior year. My sister didn't date until I graduated.

But on a funny note, we used to have a weight bench in the basement. One day my sister came home with two boys from school (middle school I believe). They saw the bench and of course wanted to show off, so they put on 85 lbs or so and barely pulled off 5 reps. My sister popped down and threw down 10 reps like it was nothing. Then I loaded on 150 lbs. and started benching ... the look on their faces were priceless. Needless to say, my family was not messed with much at school. And neither were the geeks and nerds, because I'd kick anyone's ass who tried to

Jammrock

[Dr Mordrid]

KvH;

I have the perspective of working ER's for over 25 years. Sexual predators, and the fallout from same, I know all too well. Many of these were acquaintance rapes, meaning the girl knew her attacker....often someone she considered a friend or had payed attention to her. Many were teen girls assaulted by these 20-50 year old male "friends". So much for first impressions.

Romantic fantasy doesn't change reality, and and reality is that there are a lot of predatory males (and females) who victimize dumb, but horny, kids who fall into your acceptable age range. You're the one who's being unrealistic in saying that those relationships can remain platonic or have real romantic content.

Young girls in particular often can't see the train coming when it comes to such relationships and predatory men take advantage of it to get their jollies, leaving scarred young women in their wake. Seen it too many times to accept your premise.

Making excuses for this kind of behavior is....well....you pick the negative adjective.

J;

I pressed 300+ lbs. in high school and was the smallest defensive tackle on our team @245 lbs. Biggest tackle weighed 320 lbs. Biggest guy on our team: 400 lbs & 6' 7", solid as a rock and could press his weight. Scary dude in uniform, but a gentle giant off the field.

All farm boys and not a vegan in the bunch

In terms of fighting or being picked on; on the first day of my freshman year a bully tried me out. It was a 2 punch, 2 impact fight: he swung at me and missed. I threw an uppercut and didn't. He hit the floor for a nap. No one picked a fight in the 4 years after that.

Dr. Mordrid