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    Up to six pieces of debris fell off Discovery: NASA

    KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Florida (AFP)

    Up to six pieces of debris that could be foam insulation fell off Discovery's troublesome external fuel tank minutes after liftoff Tuesday, a top NASA official said.

    Officials cautioned, however, that it was too soon to know whether the debris struck Discovery and that the pieces came off later than would normally endanger the shuttle.

    Columbia's demise in February 2003 was caused by foam insulation that peeled off 70 seconds after liftoff and struck its heat shield.

    "About two minutes and 47 seconds give or take (after the Discovery launch), we saw three perhaps four pieces come off (the fuel tank)," said shuttle program manager Wayne Hale, adding that it was unclear whether it was foam or "something else."

    "We also saw another piece or two come off at about four minutes 50 seconds," he told reporters at the Kennedy Space Center.

    He cautioned, however, that it was "very raw, preliminary data" and would have another report later Tuesday.

    But Hale said the debris came off the fuel tank later than officials fear it could damage the shuttle's heat shield.

    "Both of those (losses of debris) are interesting because they are after the time we're concerned about aerodynamic transport causing damage to the shuttle tiles," he said in Cape Canaveral, Florida.

    He did not say what size the debris was.

    NASA officials had expected some foam to come off during liftoff, but that it would not be of a size that would endanger the shuttle.

    A small piece of foam fell off Discovery's fuel tank a day before the launch, but officials decided the shuttle could fly safely without repairing the gap.

    Columbia disintegrated as it returned to Earth on February 1, 2003, killing the seven astronauts aboard.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    At least they made up safely and have the ability to repair broken tiles if needed. Though NASA needs to be looking at alternates.
    “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
    –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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    • #3
      Constellation is the alternative, but it can't finish the space station and won't be ready for a few years.

      Would be nice if some kind of flexible-but-tough sealer could be applied over the foam, at least over those portions that can hit the orbiter. I'd use something akin to 2-part poly floor finish; it's water based (for the tree huggers) & flexible but still tough as nails

      Even if there were one the issue of weight arises; as in balancing the whole rig and how much it would reduce the shuttles lift capacity.

      Pics of what fell off just after the SRB's were jettisoned;



      The crew also filmed a 5 foot piece of ice that flew past the cockpit window. CapCom reported back that something similar happened with STS-114.



      Dr. Mordrid
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 4 July 2006, 16:42.
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      • #4
        Scary... .
        Diplomacy, it's a way of saying “nice doggie”, until you find a rock!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ND66
          Scary... .
          Nothing like a chunk of ice flying by when you're traveling at 7500 miles per hour.

          My little boy, 3, and I watched the launch together. He kept chanting "rocketship!" as it went up.
          “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
          –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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          • #6
            The first few shuttle launches had the external tanks painted pretty white, until they realized they could shave 1200 lbs off the launch vehicle weight by leaving the tanks unpainted. I've often wondered how much of the foam shedding problem could be alleviated just by painting the external tanks with a good tough-skinned paint.

            Unless of course they're worried that the tough-skinned paint would do more damage to the orbiter than the foam does when it peels off.

            Kevin

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            • #7
              No, they were worried about the thick chunks of ice that formed on the tank due to the cryogenic fuel. If you think foam could do damage......

              The trick is keeping large pieces of the foam from flying off. IMHO they should have taken an overcoat seriously, even if it weighed a few hundred kg.

              Dr. Mordrid
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