Aircraft bombing plot stopped in UK....

[TransformX]

Even that's not strictly true: remember the case in France, where a bunch of people were arrested for this crime and released, I think, 18 months later because it was manifestly a "put-up" job? Too bad for the guy who committed suicide and the two teachers who lost their jobs and, probably, careers (mud does stick). There was not even a milligram of proof that they were involved and the judge had some pretty tough things to say against the police.

It seems you do agree with me about this point Brian. People are more than ready to believe all the allegation without proof or serious investigation when it's about paefophilia and such, unlike other kinds of crimes.

[Sasq]

It seems you do agree with me about this point Brian. People are more than ready to believe all the allegation without proof or serious investigation when it's about paefophilia and such, unlike other kinds of crimes.

I suspect that its our 'parental' instincts as such. I remember a rather heated debate with you not so long about about a teacher that was falsely accused...

istinct is usually stronger then logic, when it comes to protecting our children. other things as you have pointed out tend to be more abstract and harder to 'visualize'

[The PIT]

One of the rare times I agree mostly with BE.

Two have been released it's possible that they have been associated with the scum at the time. I presume in you're in the house at the time you'd be arrested and questioned.

Interesting that quite a lot of information has come from Pakistan.

[ND66]

This is a "how" they could do it:

The alleged plotters planned to bring "some type of liquid or power explosive" on board the aircraft in drink or toothpaste containers, then explode it with detonators hidden in cell phones or MP3 players, the memo said.

The Department of Homeland Security's report to law enforcement agencies outlined three types of explosives the suspects might have been planning to use:


TATP, made with hydrogen peroxide and acetone, which was used in last year's London subway bombings. It would not trigger conventional airport explosive detectors because it does not contain nitrogen. However, TATP is highly unstable and difficult to manufacture without expertise.


Nitroglycerin, a liquid explosive to which color can be added to make it resemble soft drinks or baby food. This was what was used in a thwarted 1994 al Qaeda plot to bomb aircraft traveling from Asia to the United States, which mirrored the alleged plot disrupted in Britain. (Watch how the plot had hallmarks of al Qaeda -- 3:19)


A combination of nitromethane, used to fuel model airplanes and racing cars, and an oxidizer, such as ammonium nitrate fertilizer. These ingredients were the basis of the bomb Timothy McVeigh used to destroy the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.

According to homeland security, requiring passengers to taste beverages as a security measure might not be a deterrent because many dangerous compounds, such as nitroglycerin, are harmless in small doses.

It looks like the only way for safe flying is to fly naked with the passport in your hand.
But the again, they probably would come up with exploding passport.. .


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[The PIT]

Disappointing response from British Muslim Groups

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4786159.stm

At face value doesn't look bad until you think about it.

Using Iraq as the reason is a shield. However the problem in Iraq is that two different Muslim groups don't want to share power. To prevent that they're busy killing themselfs and at times doing huge random killings. Niether America or Britain are doing this and are infact trying to prevent this.

Attacking Civilians. Well most attacks by the extremists have been against the civilian populations in the world. You also have extremists hiding amongst civilians and using them as shields. If they really care about Civilians they'd have come out more strongly against attacks that already have occured.

The underlying statement is more worrying. If you don't do what we say expect to be blown up.

Life in Britain won't get any better. Expect more arrests and more attacks when intelligence fails. Every failed arrest will be highlighted well every succesful one will be swept under the carpet.

[The PIT]

Sign of things to come ???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4786083.stm

and a very brave Minister who is risking his career to speak out aginst the insulting letter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4787119.stm

His career is now likely to end fairly some time soon though.

[TransformX]

I suspect that its our 'parental' instincts as such. I remember a rather heated debate with you not so long about about a teacher that was falsely accused...

istinct is usually stronger then logic, when it comes to protecting our children. other things as you have pointed out tend to be more abstract and harder to 'visualize'

I agree 100% with all the above.

The only (off topic) question remaining is how much (if at all) should we trust our instincts.

[Dr Mordrid]

I'd feel a lot more foolish not trusting them and having something happen than the other way around.

[KvHagedorn]

I suspect that its our 'parental' instincts as such. I remember a rather heated debate with you not so long about about a teacher that was falsely accused...

istinct is usually stronger then logic, when it comes to protecting our children. other things as you have pointed out tend to be more abstract and harder to 'visualize'

In Israel, and increasingly elsewhere. the news has provided graphic visualization for us. If the parental instinct is so strong in us, why does it kick in when the hot 23yo teacher gives our 14yo son a little lovin, but not when foreigners who hate us bomb them into bloody pulps? I would much rather not trust and live than trust and be blown to bits.

[The PIT]

On a more positive note

Mohammed Sarwar, one of three British Muslim MPs who signed the open letter, said action had to be taken to stop young Muslims being targeted by fundamentalists.

He told BBC Radio 4's The Westminster Hour: "These fanatics who brainwash these young people and mislead them, we've been demanding that all those people who are distributing hatred literature in universities, in colleges, in front of the mosques, should be dealt with the full authority of law.

"They have no right to be in our country."

Yes but he doesn't realise that we're not allowed to remove these people and it's very difficult to do so for the following reasons.

A) The Groups don't carry flags or any form of identifcation. They're just another group of Asians talking to some other Asians for example.

B) Any attempt of escorting these people of campus would result in racism claims and charges.

C) Removing them becuase they don't belong in this Country would simply be racist and the person doing so on these grounds would be sacked instantly and would struggle to find another job in his/her life.

If they're outside Mosques they can do it themselfs. If they don't you can only draw one conclussion.

[Dr Mordrid]

So much for the UN's 'cease fire';

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060813-065647-2670r

with their attitude I give it no more than weeks, at best, and they'll be shelling Israel again

[rylan]

I read that a woman was arrested with her baby in UK as being part of the terror plot. Part of the plan was to use some women with newborns/babies and bring them on the plan, and use the formula bottles to carry some of the explosive mixture. The idea was that airport security wouldn't expect a mother with a baby to be a terrorist who will blow up a plane and kill her own child. Guess they didn't account for the total disregard of life from the terrorists. Thats pretty sick to have a baby just for the purpose of blowing up a plane easier.
Can't find the link now unfortunately.

[ND66]

The idea was that airport security wouldn't expect a mother with a baby to be a terrorist who will blow up a plane and kill her own child. Guess they didn't account for the total disregard of life from the terrorists. Thats pretty sick to have a baby just for the purpose of blowing up a plane easier.

Anything I say on this subject wouldn’t be in any appropriate language form so… .



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[borat]

Spot on, their are still a significant minority of us left in Britain who actually want to look out for ourselves, but hell of a lot more of brainwashed student socialists who think that terrorists are just misguided young chaps in need of rehabilitation. That is untill its their sons and duaghters get blown up by them, then they are the first to scream 'death to all muslims'.

Banning hand luggage is the ONLY way to solve this long term, untill we all wake up to the fact that, for some reason, muslim communities in our own country are fertile breeding grounds for terrorists, but then again its a little controversial to actually face up to the truth in 2000's Britain.

With British "justice," these guys will be out in 6 months. They are dangerous even to hold in prison because they can recruit there. PUT A FRICKEN BULLET IN THEIR HEADS. Geez.. you know, Britain was a great power when they used to draw and quarter people.

[DGhost]

I would much rather not trust and live than trust and be blown to bits.

Ahhh. That is, ultimately, the point of the "war on terror." Not to live in fear - but to ensure that Joe Schmoe does not have to fear for his life on a day to day basis. That he does not have to peer into the shadows and wonder what unimaginable horrors lurk beyond his sight.