Cute PC/Windows bashing by apple

[Jessterw]

Because I didn't catch your edit Jason...

I mean, you have to either be a shill or a complete nimrod to buy a new (really expensive at the time) Mac because your PC - which was under warranty - was crashing whenever you touched the keyboard. "My brand-new PC would crash all the time. Type... crash! Type... crash! I lost all my documents... so I bought a Mac!" C'mon. That's like "my brand new car kept stalling, so I bought a Mercedes!"

Yeah, I guess the company I work for is run by nimrods for buying me (and Dan) Macs to use instead of dealing with the issues we had under Windows. Dan has actually had some bad luck with his Macs in terms of hardware issues, but for whatever reason, the company has still given him new ones.

Not sure why you're assuming though that every one of the "switchers" had PCs still under warranty, but even if they did it's not like they could have gotten their money back. So getting fed up and switching isn't the moronic move you make it out to be.

Edit: Nowhere is right though, the ads are what they are because they have to be. The same way Windows ads have to sell us on concepts and ideas rather than any real product features.

[schmosef]

I was going to post something substantive but then decided against it.

This thread is too funny.

It reminds me of a high school geek off.

I think it should be stickied.

[Jessterw]

Hehe, yes it should. I probably could have just found the last few threads where Jason and I argued about this and linked to them

[Gurm]

again, see what I wrote elsewhere.
none of the OS's are perfect.

However right now as long as you are not dependant on OS specific apps, most people seem to agree OSX is a very nice platform - even more agree and I am one of them, it would be really nice if Jobs started really twisting that knife and released it for beige boxes.
I chose mac's for the OS, nice and simple. And I hated OS9 and below, pile of crap the lot of them.

lets cut the to real cheese here Gurm.
and its not just you.
if you change OS, you cease to be top of the food chain.
you are no longer the 'guru' you are 'teh noob'
That ultimatly is the real reason nixers hate using windows, mac users hate using nix and windows users hate macs

I already support Macintosh. Hardly a 'noob', just find it ... unpleasant. I still don't really know why there are multiple network control panel applets. Or why there's no scrollbars on the DNS servers box, and yet you can put more than 2 lines in it... and can't see them. It's like the entire concept of TCP/IP was a horrifying afterthought to whoever designed the OS... which I know is NOT TRUE, because it's just a GUI for BSD. But it suffers from many of the same problems that Linux does - the GUI people have one agenda and the OS people have a different agenda.

That said, the Macs are fun to play with. I wouldn't trust one with my data.

[Gurm]

Because I didn't catch your edit Jason...


Yeah, I guess the company I work for is run by nimrods for buying me (and Dan) Macs to use instead of dealing with the issues we had under Windows. Dan has actually had some bad luck with his Macs in terms of hardware issues, but for whatever reason, the company has still given him new ones.

Not sure why you're assuming though that every one of the "switchers" had PCs still under warranty, but even if they did it's not like they could have gotten their money back. So getting fed up and switching isn't the moronic move you make it out to be.

Edit: Nowhere is right though, the ads are what they are because they have to be. The same way Windows ads have to sell us on concepts and ideas rather than any real product features.

Oh, please. That was one ad. But they all sort of sounded like that. "Apple rescued me from my desperation! ... for $2199.99 plus tax!"

[Gurm]

Any OS switch is painful. Going from SunOS to Solaris was a bit touch-and-go, but most of us who were SunOS gurus muddled along ok.

Linux... Linux cheeses me off. EVERY iteration they have to move around important configuration files. And every distro maker is to blame. I'm most recently familiar (sadly) with Red Hat. But Suse (Novell) does it I'm sure. God knows the less well-funded distros do.

But let's look at Red Hat. From RHEL4 update2 to RHEL4 update3, they moved MULTIPLE important network settings from one file to another. Changed a half-dozen installation defaults, too. And there's no graphical widget to control it. Microsoft, at least, gives you a graphical widget. You get a nice little network applet that lets you set the hostname. I call my computer "Oscar", but you can call it whatever you want. In RHEL you can set that in the applet, but it doesn't... uh... DO anything. No change to the filesystem. Hmm... nice! Now there are no less than 5 separate files which ALL contain IP address, adapter binding, and DNS. But wait, only 2 of them contain gateway, and two others contain switches to control network functionality. Which of these files do I need? Which ones can be ignored? Nobody knows! And they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FILES FROM ANY OTHER DISTRO OF LINUX... INCLUDING ANY OTHER RED HAT DISTRO!

WHEEEEEEEEE!

Now let's go look at a Mac.

So you want to change the network address. You have to go to the network control panel. There are three, make sure you pick the black one with the white swirly that says "Network". Not the one that says "Internet" or the one that says "networking" but doesn't have the black icon. Ok, now that you're in there, you have to unlock the configuration. Not entirely sure what that ... actually ... does. But stuff lights up. I assumet that it keeps you from ACCIDENTALLY changing a setting, yeah? Ok, so you change the settings. But none of them come in size-limited boxes. Y'know, like in windows you enter an IP address in little boxes:

XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX

You can only put in... y'know, numbers from 0 to 255. But the Mac lets you be creative. You can put in symbols, or letters, anything you want! It won't WORK, but you can put them in. Then, you have to make sure that there isn't something else in the box. I got hit with that last week. The genius who set up the machine before me hardcoded the DNS servers in. He set "DHCP with manual servers". Ok fine, Windows has that option too we just never use it. So I deleted the two servers in the box, and turned on full DNS. Except, there were really SIX servers in the box, but only two lines. And deleting those two lines didn't shift the other lines up. They stayed hidden, outside the box, where nobody could see them. And even though I had disabled manual servers, they kept overriding the DHCP settings until I found them. That had me puzzled for a whole 20 minutes, lemme tell ya. In Windows, you disable an option and the box goes all dark and you can't fiddle with it any more. Not sure why not on OSX.

I'm just griping here, because in all OTHER aspects the network worked REALLY WELL. It was pretty refreshing to have the computers all just see each other, and all just see the server, and be able to open files up so seamlessly. PRINTERS were a bit wonky, but it's just a paradigm shift. You get used to not having as much control, you really do.

But my point is that it's not the loss of "guru status" that I'm worried about. It's that being a Mac guru is something different. We called one in to troubleshoot a really tough network issue. It's been 3 weeks, he hasn't figured it out yet. We got all the PC's working, but the Macs can't send email yet. His Mac at home works, though. So he's narrowed it down to "something about the network". Nice. He put in a trouble call to Microsoft, maybe they'll help. *sigh*

[Jessterw]

That said, the Macs are fun to play with. I wouldn't trust one with my data.

Wait, you're a Windows user are you not?

Nevermind, don't need an answer to that, you've successfully convinced me to never argue with you about this again.

But as one last thing, there is no "Internet" preference panel. There is .Mac, Network, QuickTime, and Sharing. If you can't figure out where to go for what then you are less intelligent than the switchers you so love to criticize.

[Gurm]

Wait, you're a Windows user are you not?

Nevermind, don't need an answer to that, you've successfully convinced me to never argue with you about this again.

But as one last thing, there is no "Internet" preference panel. There is .Mac, Network, QuickTime, and Sharing. If you can't figure out where to go for what then you are less intelligent than the switchers you so love to criticize.

It's a comfort level with tools, JW. On a PC, I have a dozen programs that can get back my data should a hard drive fail or should I just stupidly delete something. Even after a few reformats, I can get data back if it hasn't been overwritten. I have a comfort level that the data is recoverable. I feel no such comfort with Linux or Mac. Linux because the OpenSource recovery tools skeeve me out, and Mac because there's only one tool and it didn't seem all that robust last time I played with it. I'm sure there's something good out there now, and I'm sure I'll find it because I'm sure someone has deleted something important over the weekend and it'll be my JOB to find it today. *sigh*

[Jessterw]

The latest ad should have Gates and some others foaming...

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov

[schmosef]

This one is right on the money. UAC sucks.

[Technoid]

The image I get from those mac ads are:

Grown ups use PC's and make money

Annoying morons use mac and treat it as an recreational drug.