How to bring up a boy to kill

[Gurm]

I'm curious, are you opposed to range shooting, or sport shooting that does not involve hunting?

He's opposed to America, and anything that differentiates it from his ideal culture. I'm not sure what his ideal culture IS, exactly... but it ain't us!

[Dr Mordrid]

I learned to shoot when I was 6-ish and made my first kill on a rabbit soon after. Fishing started at ~4-5. First big game kill was a deer at age 10.

[Brian Ellis]

I'm curious, are you opposed to range shooting, or sport shooting that does not involve hunting?

Good question. I think I can answer only, "it depends". If the range shooting is like I did in the army, then the answer is definitely "yes", because the only purpose of that is to hone one's skills to kill, no matter what the arm. Sport shooting is less cut'n'dried for me. I'm thinking of the biathlon as I write this. This uses a bolt loading 0.22" rifle with a magazine holding 5 rounds. Obviously, in the wrong hands, such an arm could be used to kill, although it would be difficult to use it for this purpose. Clay pigeon shooting? Better than shooting real ones! As sport shooting is mainly a club or team activity, it would be a good idea, in any case, to have a strong room in the club premises for keeping the arms and the ammunition; there is no reason to have these at home.

As I said, I'm not opposed to shooting game, where it is necessary for the larder. I am opposed to shooting game just for the fun of it or where you can afford to buy food. I am not opposed to scientifically and cleanly culling animals where there are more than the habitat can support, preferably the weak and sick ones.

I know this answer is equivocal, but it's the best I can do at short notice.

[Brian Ellis]

He's opposed to America, and anything that differentiates it from his ideal culture. I'm not sure what his ideal culture IS, exactly... but it ain't us!

Bollocks.

[Gurm]

Bollocks.

Piffle. I can quote a dozen instances in the past few months where you take, whether or not you think you have good reasons, the diametric opposite position to that of most of us in the US. I'm not saying you're doing it on purpose!

[James_D]

I dont know, to be honest who is right in here, I just wonder if the European countries have a point when they set an age limit at 18 (most of the countries) for being able to own a weapon. They regard that you shouldn't be younger because you don't understand the implications that all of your actions can lead to. That is also why there is a limit of 18 years before being able to vote, and driving a car. If you think that people are old enough to shoot when they are 11 why not let them vote as well? Also a bit more strict gun control can be benefitial, I am not saying that you shouldnt be allowed to own a gun, eg Norway have a higher gun pr person concentration than US, but we also have a lower gun related crime statistics pr person compared to the US. First of all because there is a need for certification from the police that you have the permission to obtain weapons. Secondly Automatic weapons are not allowed unless being part of the military (most people are part of the home guard). So they have a AG3 at home (Modified Hessler and Koche G3). And very strict rules that ammo and the bolt have to be kept separate from the weapon.

Gurm:
I am also against many things that US have started or stands for, but also in favor of many. I still have to see any evidence for the weapons of mass destruction or the connections between Saddam and AQ, but I still think it was correct to get rid of the dictator. You will see that many European voices opposition to some cases that US is doing, but many of the same will also applaud for many of the things that US does. Just then you don't hear it in the US media, or also its easier to remember conflicting views. Like most European still are very great full for the way US intervened in Bosnia in the 90's. The EU was unable to act, and unless US action many more lives would have been lost.

Kind regards

JD

[jms]

No one should try killing a hog until they're big enough to use a proper (read: large caliber) weapon accurately. IMO pistol big game hunts are for experts only, and you're talking to a long time pistol hunter.

I pefer a Thompson/Center G2 Contender in 45-70 for hogs (below). One well placed shot = one kill.

That said I will take Erik on a hog hunt as soon as he can take his classes & get a license AND handle one of my big bored rifles; maybe the 300 Mag, .375 Mag or the .50 plains rifle. The license he can get at 12, but we'll see if he's man enough for the cannons by then.

Well said.

[TransformX]

Re Brian: I suppose you find the sikhs to be a barbaric cult, because carrying a knife (kirpan) is part of their tradition..

[Dr Mordrid]

Almost certainly a feral pig.
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The problem is that they can interbreed with wild pigs and that can produce really Big AND Vicious brutes, with capital letters to show the offspring inherit the bad from both sides.

Hernando de Soto brought old world hogs to the Americas in the 1500's and they interbred with domestic pigs. Now they're such an environmental problem hunting/culling is actively encouraged. Even with this their range is expanding north every year.

Yup....they're dangerous game, very dangerous. As such the typical deer rifle, even the venerated 30-06, is inadequate and weapons normally used for Grizzlys and medium African game are more in order. That or a .50 or .54 plains rifle with a BFB (Big F*****g Bullet).

Needless to say this limits participation as many are afraid to shoot those things

Those who hunt them with hounds often get them Kevlar jackets, and for good reason. The old saw is that you get one shot at a charging boar, then it's time to run.

[Umfriend]

Re Brian: I suppose you find the sikhs to be a barbaric cult, because carrying a knife (kirpan) is part of their tradition..

And they practise the use of the knife as to be able to kill?

[Technoid]

No one should try killing a hog until they're big enough to use a proper (read: large caliber) weapon accurately. IMO pistol big game hunts are for experts only, and you're talking to a long time pistol hunter.

I pefer a Thompson/Center G2 Contender in 45-70 for hogs (below). One well placed shot = one kill.

That said I will take Erik on a hog hunt as soon as he can take his classes & get a license AND handle one of my big bored rifles; maybe the 300 Mag, .375 Mag or the .50 plains rifle. The license he can get at 12, but we'll see if he's man enough for the cannons by then.

If you'd change the handle for a stock, you could probably fool a lot of people that it was a rifle

[MultimediaMan]

Actually, there are kits that will do just that.

As long as it has a 16" barrel and the stock makes the firearm 26" OAL or longer, it is perfectly legal as a rifle.

[TransformX]

And they practise the use of the knife as to be able to kill?

I know some people are too lazy for their own good, so here - from the deep buried secret, which apparently only selected few can reach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

Sikhs often protest the characterisation of the Kirpan as a weapon. Traditionally, a Sikh should never use the Kirpan in anger or for a malicious attack. However, a Sikh may use it in self-defence or to protect a person in need. Some Sikhs choose to learn the art of Gatka. This is a martial art devised by the Sikh Gurus that uses circular movements to effectively swing a kirpan.

Of course, this is a dance and the blade is used in order to radiate rays of tender loving care .

[Dr Mordrid]

And Sikhs were never considered great warriors either

O Sword, O Conqueror of continents,
O Vanquisher of the hosts of evil,
O Embellisher of the brave in the field of battle.
Thy Arms are unbreakable,
Thy Light refulgent,
Thy Glory and Splendor dazzle like the sun.
O Happiness of the holy,
O Crusher of evil intent,
O Subduer of sin, I seek Thy refuge.

Guru Gobind Singh (tenth and last of the Ten Gurus of Sikhism)

http://www.akalsangat.com/iw1.html

The Warrior

Every successful society has revered its warriors. While religious texts may talk of Ahinsa, or "turn the other cheek," in reality armies around the world march with the explicit blessings of priests and other religious leaders. However, the warrior is not always the saint-warrior discussed by Guru Gobind Singh. In the Orient, the exalted warrior was the samurai...a highly trained fighter willing to die at a moment's notice for his sworn master. In the West, the crusaders spilled blood to decimate the heathens. Armies have also marched with a desire to bring the right faith to the infidels. These are not the saint-warriors the Sikh Gurus refer to. The Sikh response to injustices is not confined to the approaches, "Turn the other cheek;" "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth;" or the often practiced, "An eye for a tooth, a head for an eye." It is the state of the warrior's mind that is of critical importance. Is the state that of a saint?

The Saint-Warrior

The saint-warrior looks upon the kirpan very much as he looks upon undergoing surgery for a tumor...it is the last resort and it is not because he hates the infected area that he wants removed. There can be no enimity towards the person the saint-warrior is to combat. The combat is not for a personal gain. The saint-soldier has love for entire humanity just as an ordinary man has love for all parts of his body. Just as no sane person will cut off his left arm so that the right one may become stronger, the saint-soldier will not lift his sword for the benefit of a king or a landlord, or even for his own benefit.

[Brian Ellis]

Piffle. I can quote a dozen instances in the past few months where you take, whether or not you think you have good reasons, the diametric opposite position to that of most of us in the US. I'm not saying you're doing it on purpose!

As this is a totally false accusation and is not even relevant to the thread, I have no intention of letting you be judge, jury and executioner for my moral convictions.

All I say is that you haven't a clue.